The grandson shot at a buck and knows he hit it - we go down to the edge of the pond where the deer was - a lot of blood in one spot - close to a cup of blood - see a blood trail leaving the spot and start to follow - at this point there are 4 of us looking and trying to follow the blood trail - we see one spot where there is some blood with issue - it starts getting dark but we try for an hour - the blood trail becomes spotty and it is hard to follow - so we decide to come back Sunday morning to continue to look - 2 try to find the blood trail and 2 keep looking around the woods - after about 5 hours we give up - can't find anymore blood - can't say that we didn't try to find the deer - figure what happened was it was a single lung shot which finally stopped bleeding but the deer still had one good lung and kept going - the grandson was using a 243 which I think is marginal for deer - next year I'll let him use one of the lever action .35 Remington I have - we did manage to keep 4 doe so far - got another week of rifle season then archery after Christmas - stay safe guys - Joe