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:silly: For those with facebook accounts,check this out www.facebook.com/canadaintherough Keith Beaseley has taken David Suzuki to task with a rock-solid rebuttal of Suzuki's publicized campaign to end what he calls B.C.Grizzly Bear trophy hunts. As usual,he espouses BS and bafflegab,but,for Suzuki,this anti-hunting thing,even for him,is new territory. His credibility WRT Anthropological Global Warming has proven to be completely bankrupt,so,he's taking a new "kick at the cat".
After watching this I just have to say that Keith Beasley is a great spokesman for all hunters. As usual, he states that this is his opinion and if very careful to use facts and logic. Definitely a class act.
He did a great job.
If you are going to answer misinformation(alleged about Suzuki), don't come back with your own misinformation... That fellow clearly stated that suzuki is against all hunting, be it bears or rabbits or whatever or even eating beef from the store. Well I've seen a show of his where he hunted a seal in the north with a native and his daughter... One of his daughters is a fisherman and married to a native. I've seen a show where he talked about and showed a pasture beef farm. And he is an avid fisherman and is not a vegetarian. So unless he's changed his positions in the last few months, those statements are untrue regardless of your opinion on grizzly hunting.
Ypur observations serve only to illustrate his ability to say whatever side of the fence he happens to fall from. As you've pointed out,quite succinctly,he tries to do both (hunts with FN people,then,condemns others). He can't choose both. There's no such thing as being a little bit pregnant. Either one is or isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by intothedeep
I am not a David Suzuki fan but have to agree with you ITD. I think generally Keith did an average job based on his misinformation and would hope that he comes forward and correct himself. Most of this information we already know as hunters and fisherman but he needs to get accurate information on Suzuki before he speaks.
No, he's against trophy hunting for grizzles and probably in general(not sure), but not food hunting/fishing/farming... But my point isn't about Suzuki, it's about that fellow. If you want to criticize someone for getting their facts wrong fine I no have no problem with that, but don't in the same speech basically get your facts wrong and say Suzuki is some anti meat activist, because I know for 100% he isn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Just a few days ago his daughter posted on FB shrimp they caught in BC... Lol
When I hear the name David Suzuki, I just roll my eyes. Tired of listening to Mr. Doom And Gloom spout off about his latest cause. I thought Beasley did a decent job of replying to his call to end the grizzly hunt. Whether Suzuki is actually anti hunting, I don't know.
I am curious whom Suzuki classifies trophy hunters per his blog:Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
In the most recent study, PhD student and lead author Kyle Artelle and his colleagues analyzed a large government data set containing details on the deaths of thousands of bears killed by trophy hunters, as well as animal control officers, poachers and vehicle and train collisions.
Considering under BC law:
Retrieval of wildlife killed
35 (1) In this section, "dwelling place" does not include a temporary or seasonal camp.
(2) A person commits an offence if the person hunts wildlife and kills or injures that wildlife and fails to make every reasonable effort to
(a) retrieve the wildlife, and if it is alive to kill it and include it in his or her bag limit, and
(b) remove the edible portions of the carcass of game to the person's normal dwelling place or to a meatcutter or the owner or
operator of a cold storage plant, unless exempted by regulation.
So like Ontario, in BC it is against the law to take part of an animal as a trophy and let the edible portions of the carcass (the meat) to rot. So, I ask again whom does Suzuki class as trophy hunters? Would it be the guys who in addition to taking the meat have a memento of their hunting adventure (such as a bear skin rug or a head mount)?
In this blog ( http://www.davidsuzuki.org/blogs/pan...ar-management/), Suzuki furthers blurs the lines by calling to end all Grizzly Bear hunting trophy hunting, leaving the implication that every bear harvested under BC regulations are left to rot after the hunters have claimed whatever trophy Suzuki is referring to (again under BC law is illegal). This is done intentionally to inflame people who are ignorant (lacking knowledge) of hunting practices to view hunting in a bad light. Furthermore, hunting is the only thing he calls for stopping in this blog. He doesn't comment on other factors he mentions such as animal control officers, poachers, and vehicle and train collisions. This is strictly aimed to stop the legal grizzly bear hunt by trying to call it trophy hunting.
I find it quite hypocritical that Suzuki is calling on Grizzly Bear "trophy" hunting to be stopped but can willfully wallow in the terror and pain he causes to fish when he dips his hooks in the water. Last time I checked, fish have nerves and can feel pain. I guess it is ok to hook an animal in the mouth (or perhaps somewhere else depending on where you hooked it), have it fight until it exhausts itself, bring it out of the water where it can't breath to remove said hook and then let it go on it's merry way after you have handled it but bringing in money by issuing hunting tags on a species which can be hunted only in certain parts of the province and using that money to help protect the species from people out there who would kill every last grizzly bear if they could is wrong.
What a load.
Dyth
Good for Beaseley: Nicely done.
I"m not a big Suzuki fan.
We discuss many things on this forum, but its nice to have someone articulate willing to stand in front of a camera and voice it.
If you don't push back you will get steamrolled.