50 killed in Florida

Unreal. I really can't for the life of me understand why they don't expand the background checks down there. No it's not foolproof but it would still weed out thousands of people who aren't stable enough to own guns. I don't think the 5th amendment has a clause that includes the criminally dangerous or unstable as having the right to own guns. Not sure what the details will be here but you can't just look away. The NRA will eventually shoot themselves in the foot by not assisting in a workable solution.

Americans will keep talking about this but they won't do anything about it. They are the only country that has up to 3 mass shootings a day. Seriously when is it enough? How many people need to die? There is no need for civilians to have access to assault rifles

Well I have to disagree a bit on the Assault rifle thing. A semi auto centre fire is just that and many people hunt with them and are perfectly safe and trustworthy. I think they need to weed out the people who shouldn't own "any" firearm.

Terr' - its the second amendment - well lets look that the big picture - first of all there are over 300 million guns in this country - if you were to try and register these guns with the idea of eventually rounding the guns up only the good people would register them and the criminals would be the only ones with guns - so that's not an option - next assault rifles are semi-auto guns just like a lot of guns used for hunting they only look different and because of that they are called assault rifles - some have big magazines but restricting their size doesn't really do anything because a guy could carry several more ammo clips - if this guy was hell bent on killing a lot of people he could have just as well used a bomb or a couple semi-auto hand guns - it is not the guns - it is the nuts that are out there - how do you keep nuts from getting a hold of a gun - you can try to but there is no way that you will always be successful - anymore then you are able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals - just look a drugs - all kinds of laws against there use but you see how successful they are -

Now we get back to the issue of more good people having guns with them - here is another case of no one having a gun to stop the killer before he kills a lot of people - there were around 100 people in the place when he started shooting - if only a couple of the patrons had guns they could have ended the killings - so what is the answer - more good people need to carry guns - plain and simple - you stop a bad guy with a gun by a good guy with a gun

Then there is the main event - look down through history - who killed citizens in Russia, Germany, China, Cambodia etc. - the goverment did - the second amendment was put into our constitution so that the people could resist the government when it decides to mistreat the citizens - the founders of our nation had seen what the English government did to the people in the colonies and they wanted to make sure that the citizens had a way of resisting any such mistreatment - yes freedom has a price - be it fighting a war where thousands die or in the home front where some nut kills some innocent people - I bet there will be a lot more people buying guns in Florida so that if they are in such a situation they will at least have a chance - to you Canadians who travel to Florida I suggest you watch where you go -

I'm not falling into the black guns/assault rifle ban club. I feel gun owners should have background checks and if they are deemed safe to own firearms then issued a permit just like our PAL system up here. Once a person is approved I see no point in restricting which type of firearm he or she owns. Of course the criminals will ignore these laws but it could weed out some unstable people who shouldn't be owning guns.
As an update to this massacre it now looks like it could be domestic terrorism. The shooter was a person of interest with the FBI. Pretty sure he wasn't a Christian or Buddhist.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...lub-story.html
The Federal Bureau of Investigation twice interviewed Omar Mateen for having alleged terrorist ties before he killed 50 people and injured 53 others at a gay nightclub in Orlando, the deadliest shooting in U.S. history.

FBI learned of him in 2013 after he made inflammatory remarks to coworkers and alleged terrorist ties, said FBI Special Agent In Charge Ron Hopper.

The FBI investigated and interviewed witnesses and Mateen, but closed the investigation. He came to the FBI's attention again in 2014 for making contact with a suicide bomber. FBI determined their connection was minimal and closed the investigated

U.S. Senator Bill Nelson, D-Florida, said the Islamic State claimed responsibility for a massacre at an Orlando gay nightclub that left 50 dead and 53 injured, the deadliest shooting in U.S. history.


Now if these simple facts are correct... IF .... to blame the firearm is a rather ridiculous but I checked on some Twitter feeds and sure enough those like Boob Rae are saying it is an access to firearms problem... WHICH If he was under FBI/police investigation twice and still was able to legally obtain a firearm then I would have to agree with them ,Obama too is going on about the AR-15 and assault rifles as usual.

Apparently the shooter phoned 911 and claimed support for ISIL and there was someone with explosives and firearms in Los Angeles near that pride event. The firearm isn't the question, the Orlando terrorist could have killed more as a suicide bomber, throwing firebombs etc. but the question is why the media won't look at the cause, usually just a blind statement about hatred ... it is Ramadan and it is like an annual event to see these type of things in the news from around the world...4 killed in Jerusalem but the worst is from a couple years ago where 3 Christian girls were beheaded as "Ramadan trophies" *not in numbers etc.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111112492769
Warning there are some new news articles about the killing and that Indonesia released the rabid dog a couple years ago and I made the mistake one time of clicking on the one link that include pictures of the girls. I am not including that link and do NOT recommend looking for it!

I see "ideology" and "religion" repeatedly mention and "mass shooting" but they sure seem to be avoiding the word terrorism and Islam in the same sentence even though his parents are from Afghanistan and he phoned to declare allegiance to ISIL. Massacres by Islam in Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Congo and Pakistan that add up to several hundreds of people (one suicide bomber in Pakistan that in the 60 killed included children.) get almost no attention because, ... where they are from? the victims are Christian? ....????

I hear he was a licensed, approved Security Guard. Had to have some checks there to be a licensed guard and /or bonded.

It was also reported he had domestic issues previously so.......

Apparently he hated lgbt AND was reported to have sworn allegiance to ISIS. Difficult to prevent lone wolf attacks. First paid duty cop failed to stop him and the rest is history.

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Americans will keep talking about this but they won't do anything about it. They are the only country that has up to 3 mass shootings a day. Seriously when is it enough? How many people need to die? There is no need for civilians to have access to assault rifles

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it's about freedom.....not need. I assume he had copious background checks as he was a licensed and bonded Security Guard. I know you won't grasp this but it ain't the gun, car, knife, beer bottle, baseball bat, acid vat, etc., it's the person.

Besides this is our only terrorist attack....yep, correct, not a workplace violence BS tag by Odumbo. He finally HAD to use/say/hang the Muslim Terrorist Tag as he couldn't squirm his wormy azz out of it this time.

US dealer background checks are as good or or better than anyone else. Actually so is our private sale when compared to Canada. All I have to do is be "satisfied" that you have a license in Canada. Pretty much the same amount of real effort needed in the US as Canada on used sales.

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...lub-story.html
The Federal Bureau of Investigation twice interviewed Omar Mateen for having alleged terrorist ties before he killed 50 people and injured 53 others at a gay nightclub in Orlando, the deadliest shooting in U.S. history.

FBI learned of him in 2013 after he made inflammatory remarks to coworkers and alleged terrorist ties, said FBI Special Agent In Charge Ron Hopper.

The FBI investigated and interviewed witnesses and Mateen, but closed the investigation. He came to the FBI's attention again in 2014 for making contact with a suicide bomber. FBI determined their connection was minimal and closed the investigated

U.S. Senator Bill Nelson, D-Florida, said the Islamic State claimed responsibility for a massacre at an Orlando gay nightclub that left 50 dead and 53 injured, the deadliest shooting in U.S. history.


Now if these simple facts are correct... IF .... to blame the firearm is a rather ridiculous but I checked on some Twitter feeds and sure enough those like Boob Rae are saying it is an access to firearms problem... WHICH If he was under FBI/police investigation twice and still was able to legally obtain a firearm then I would have to agree with them ,Obama too is going on about the AR-15 and assault rifles as usual.

Apparently the shooter phoned 911 and claimed support for ISIL and there was someone with explosives and firearms in Los Angeles near that pride event. The firearm isn't the question, the Orlando terrorist could have killed more as a suicide bomber, throwing firebombs etc. but the question is why the media won't look at the cause, usually just a blind statement about hatred ... it is Ramadan and it is like an annual event to see these type of things in the news from around the world...4 killed in Jerusalem but the worst is from a couple years ago where 3 Christian girls were beheaded as "Ramadan trophies" *not in numbers etc.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111112492769
Warning there are some new news articles about the killing and that Indonesia released the rabid dog a couple years ago and I made the mistake one time of clicking on the one link that include pictures of the girls. I am not including that link and do NOT recommend looking for it!

I see "ideology" and "religion" repeatedly mention and "mass shooting" but they sure seem to be avoiding the word terrorism and Islam in the same sentence even though his parents are from Afghanistan and he phoned to declare allegiance to ISIL. Massacres by Islam in Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Congo and Pakistan that add up to several hundreds of people (one suicide bomber in Pakistan that in the 60 killed included children.) get almost no attention because, ... where they are from? the victims are Christian? ....????

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Freedom is never free....a concept completely lost on an entire generation of Canadians too willing to let the "nanny staters" systemically remove them a little at a time until they're all gone. Then,they'll sit back and wonder WTF happened.

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Originally Posted by skypilot

I hear he was a licensed, approved Security Guard. Had to have some checks there to be a licensed guard and /or bonded.

It was also reported he had domestic issues previously so.......

Apparently he hated lgbt AND was reported to have sworn allegiance to ISIS. Difficult to prevent lone wolf attacks. First paid duty cop failed to stop him and the rest is history.

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If they do their background checks for Security Guards like we do or the Americans do for TSAgents,I wouldn't count on it. Most of the rent-a-cops can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Originally Posted by skypilot

it's about freedom.....not need. I assume he had copious background checks as he was a licensed and bonded Security Guard. I know you won't grasp this but it ain't the gun, car, knife, beer bottle, baseball bat, acid vat, etc., it's the person.

Besides this is our only terrorist attack....yep, correct, not a workplace violence BS tag by Odumbo. He finally HAD to use/say/hang the Muslim Terrorist Tag as he couldn't squirm his wormy azz out of it this time.

US dealer background checks are as good or or better than anyone else. Actually so is our private sale when compared to Canada. All I have to do is be "satisfied" that you have a license in Canada. Pretty much the same amount of real effort needed in the US as Canada on used sales.

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Excellent points on your President,but,I also notice that our CBC avoided any reference to Islamic terror and Muslims in the same sentence. Political correctness is what will kill western civilization,not terrorism.

I guarantee you Trudough has let in scores of Islamic extremists who will just sit as sleepers and then strike here. All to win an election. I hope he can live with himself if some fanatic blows up a daycare centre.