Scarcity of Deer ???

I spoke with a fellow I've known for years, he told me that they found a coyote den on a farm back last spring.
They set up a camera close by to keep track of what was going on, they also changed the card weekly, so they would not get repeat pictures.
During the time the camera was set up and until they family moved to another den site, the pictures had shown that the adult coyotes had dragged in 11 , yes that is eleven different fawns to feed their pups.
At eleven fawns, that is "a lot " of deer taken out of the system.

Looks like there will have to be a lot more guys/gals out there hunting/shooting coyotes to help get the deer population back up on it's feet.

Our M.N.R.F will also have to look into this with more foresight/ openmindedness than they have , open up the coyote/wolf hunting in areas they have closed, and also " stop" with all the extra tags that have been available over the years, and also look into possibly shortening the lenght of the deer season .
Myself I see no reason to carry on with an archery season after the December shotgun/muzzle loader hunt, that is my opinion and there is no reason to starts arguements here on this forum about it. Open discussion yes but no arguements.

coyotes have there place but too many is bad news.

The deer population in 92 is in great shape.
If any cuts need to take place they would be best done to the gun hunt. Leave the archery season alone... :)

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I spoke with a fellow I've known for years, he told me that they found a coyote den on a farm back last spring.
They set up a camera close by to keep track of what was going on, they also changed the card weekly, so they would not get repeat pictures.
During the time the camera was set up and until they family moved to another den site, the pictures had shown that the adult coyotes had dragged in 11 , yes that is eleven different fawns to feed their pups.
At eleven fawns, that is "a lot " of deer taken out of the system.

Looks like there will have to be a lot more guys/gals out there hunting/shooting coyotes to help get the deer population back up on it's feet.

Our M.N.R.F will also have to look into this with more foresight/ openmindedness than they have , open up the coyote/wolf hunting in areas they have closed, and also " stop" with all the extra tags that have been available over the years, and also look into possibly shortening the lenght of the deer season .
Myself I see no reason to carry on with an archery season after the December shotgun/muzzle loader hunt, that is my opinion and there is no reason to starts arguements here on this forum about it. Open discussion yes but no arguements.

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Jaycee...that is an insane amount of fawns for one den in one portion of pup rearing season. Wow! How many pups were there and what was the duration in which 11 fawns were taken into the den? (Ask your friend next time you see him, please).
Agree that MNR should look into opening up coyote/wolf/ hybrid bans in wmu's.
I am glad you posted this, while scouting today I noticed a great deal less rabbit tracks and got to thinking about yotes myself.

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Originally Posted by bellerivercrossbowhunter

coyotes have there place but too many is bad news.

The deer population in 92 is in great shape.
If any cuts need to take place they would be best done to the gun hunt. Leave the archery season alone... :)

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Seeing that the gun hunt is only a week to two weeks long,what do you suggest?

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Originally Posted by jaycee

I spoke with a fellow I've known for years, he told me that they found a coyote den on a farm back last spring.
They set up a camera close by to keep track of what was going on, they also changed the card weekly, so they would not get repeat pictures.
During the time the camera was set up and until they family moved to another den site, the pictures had shown that the adult coyotes had dragged in 11 , yes that is eleven different fawns to feed their pups.
At eleven fawns, that is "a lot " of deer taken out of the system.

Looks like there will have to be a lot more guys/gals out there hunting/shooting coyotes to help get the deer population back up on it's feet.

Our M.N.R.F will also have to look into this with more foresight/ openmindedness than they have , open up the coyote/wolf hunting in areas they have closed, and also " stop" with all the extra tags that have been available over the years, and also look into possibly shortening the lenght of the deer season .
Myself I see no reason to carry on with an archery season after the December shotgun/muzzle loader hunt, that is my opinion and there is no reason to starts arguements here on this forum about it. Open discussion yes but no arguements.

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I agree with no extra tags. But I think most deer are taken during the controlled hunts and not many deer taken by archers especially in December. My thought would be to modify the shotgun season.

Just a thought, there's lots of ways to look at it.

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Originally Posted by fieldtrip

I agree with no extra tags. But I think most deer are taken during the controlled hunts and not many deer taken by archers especially in December. My thought would be to modify the shotgun season.

Just a thought, there's lots of ways to look at it.

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How do you "modify" a shotgun season? :confused:

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

How do you "modify" a shotgun season? :confused:

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Oh boy....

The deer population is on the rebound here in eastern Ontario and the coyote population somewhat declining a bit. This is based on my field observations in the last few months. The coyotes always trail the deer and do take out the weak and vulnerable. They are no match for the strong and healthy otherwise we would no longer have a deer population. The key factor is snow depth in having the deer remain mobile and agile. Too deep and the coyotes have a feeding frenzy and lots of pups. Mother Nature taking care of her own in a never ending cycle.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

How do you "modify" a shotgun season? :confused:

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Very simple, only 3 days season, no party hunting, no pushing any bushes

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Originally Posted by fieldtrip

I agree with no extra tags. But I think most deer are taken during the controlled hunts and not many deer taken by archers especially in December. My thought would be to modify the shotgun season.

Just a thought, there's lots of ways to look at it.

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Not many taken by archers in Dec. , boy oh boy I can tell you a much different story, how about guys more than a dozen, that take their holidays the last two weeks of Dec. and really hit yarding areas hard !:madman: