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... it amazed me how easily/how often people loose muzzle control with a rifle.. just made me think of some yahoo's out with rifles would be real bad news...Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckWisperer
That makes just as much sense.
I think we should play it safe and go back to using pointy sticks.
Really? This was at an approved range with an instructor present?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckWisperer
If it was at BGC I'm surprised. You're either at the firing line with your pistol pointed downrange, its sitting on the bench pointed downrange, or its in its case. Not a whole lot of opportunity to swing them around. If any of the students did, they would have been sorted out in short order. The same can be said for most ranges I've been to.
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it was at the wolfs den, in a portable, with a great instructor, no shooting, all you ahd to do really was load/unload a handgun with dummie ammo, and know the same crao you gotta know to pass the PAL exam.. i went with my brother in law, he got his pal/restricted same weekend and had never shot so much as a pellet gun his whole life, he sent in the paper work, got his restricted liscense in the mail, went straight to the den and bought a 1911... had the paperwork to bring it home, and we unloaded a few clips in the backyard (shhh) first time he ever fired a gun lol...
you cant deny though, that its MUCH easier to loose control with a handgun,, thats just handguns 101 and such common knowledge for anyone who's ever held one. cant believe that point is being argued..
Yes I can deny it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckWisperer
Despite not having my civilian RPAL I have handled more than my share in the CF.
Muzzle control is muzzle control, period. If you're the kind of person who talks with his hands, put the darn thing down....
Given the structure of most ranges, which if you intend to shoot pistol, you will be on to shoot said pistol, the opportunities to display poor muzzle control do not exist.
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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
thats just silly to deny it, and silly to refrence the gun range. what f***** forest has the same structure as a range! unless your huting at a shooting range your point is foolish
Really?
The environments I have handled pistols in were not always ranges. Muzzle control is the same regardless of which type you are handling. I've seen idiots with long guns, I've seen idiots with pistols.
The folks who shoot cowboy, IPSC, and 3 Gun at my club have probably the best control of any individual I've seen.
I'm not sure what ******* forest you are referring to, but since you're speaking in a position of hypothesis only, you have no substance to your argument.
You have made an assertion that it's easier to lose control of a handgun over a long gun. Apparently it's handgun 101 according to you. Yet your extensive experience with handgun is taking your RPAL course "not too long ago".
You have gone from asking if it would result in a higher accidental shooting rate, because you "feel" that it would, to vehemently arguing that it will, and being insulting to someone who argues a counter point.
California allows handgun hunting, correct?
California Hunting Accidents for the year 2010, data in years after that isn't available.
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.a...54368&inline=1
10 accidents total. All long gun.
2009. 15 accidents total. All long gun.
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.a...54369&inline=1
I had to go all the way back to 2007 to find one (1) incident involving a pistol while turkey hunting.
You're up.
The main issue when presenting your case before the government is the issue of ballistics and common amount of energy required to kill game. I know there are handguns chambered to use a .308 and has energy at 50 yards of 1500-1800 ft/lbs of energy. Fine. So how are you going to persuade the government and overcome these obstacles?
Yep, agree with you WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
I have had 100s of automobiles pointed at me today..... no grille control or poor grille control, my gawd....so horrific.....sarcasm off.....