Dog food

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Originally Posted by Sharon

You said the first 5. LOL What are you still doing up? My car is in the garage and I'm bored to death.

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You're right. I shouldn't have taken the bait and jumped into another dog food debate. Truth be told my dumbass could survive on milk bones and cheese.

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Originally Posted by terrym

Many people I talk to say they have "always" fed PPP. Well if that's the case then they really don't know if their dogs would actually do better with something else if it hasn't been tried.

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If 75% of the field is on Pro Plan, then if Pro Plan is really as bad as its detractors claim, the remaining 25% ought to be winning the national championship every year.

The fact is, all these dogs are fed quality foods. The difference between those quality foods is negligible, and it isn't a factor in who wins.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Red Paw X Series Perform
32 % protein
20 % fat
4214 kcal/kg metabolizable energy

Pro Plan Performance 30/20
30% protein
20% fat
4250 kcal/kg metabolizable energy

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I have seen that as well Andrew with many dog foods where the cheaper high grain had higher kcal/kg. The fact is the Red Paw first three main ingredients are meat and dogs do much better on a meat base diet than plant base. Meat base compared to a grain base kibble also digest at different rates that produce energy for short or long periods of time. A meat base diet provides energy for longer periods of time along with a high fat content. The difference in amount of stool/waste on a high meat base diet compared to a high grain diet is incredible.
As I said I know many people that use to feed not just Purina but other high grain kibble diets that had to switch to a meat base diet because dogs do better on meat.

Going to bed ! Friggen dog food threads. lol

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Originally Posted by terrym

I'm not disputing that likely 75% of trial dogs live on PPP. But if 75% of the field uses the same feed then really the feed isn't what makes one dog rise above others. Its training and genetics at that point. Many people I talk to say they have "always" fed PPP. Well if that's the case then they really don't know if their dogs would actually do better with something else if it hasn't been tried. Allegiance to Purina because of marketing support in the trial world is understandable but if Loyall all of a sudden outspent Purina for 5 years straight I think you would see the same support.

My dog does great on Acana but the next one may not. Couldn't get a solid dump out of him with PPP. I'm not going to assume Acana is going to be the best for the next one.

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I had both my dogs on TLC at one point. They both did better on Pro Plan.

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Originally Posted by yellow dog

Old thread buddy.

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Well so much for trying to discourage discussion YD...44 post later and 11 of those contributed by you, seems like there is still lots to say..

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Originally Posted by yellow dog

Going to bed !

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Even kept you up past your bedtime. LOL...

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Well so much for trying to discourage discussion YD...44 post later and 11 of those contributed by you, seems like there is still lots to say..



Even kept you up past your bedtime. LOL...

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I did that for you since I mean so much to you. LOL

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Keep doing your research....no offense, but chicken is the first ingredient ( the highest quantity).

A lot of Hunting retriever clubs, and field triallers use Pro-plan Sport, as well, many vets have zero issues with the food.

A little light reading for you:

http://www.askavetquestion.com/nutrition/corn/

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I've read this before even posting. I'll probably catch h*ll for saying this but most vets will suggest Royal Canin and well, the first ingredient in their medium breed dog food is brewers rice.
https://www.royalcanin.com/products/...-dog-food/3004

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Originally Posted by welsh

Corn gluten meal is actually a source of protein, not a carbohydrate. Is it really relevant whether it's a grain?

Ingredients lists do not tell you about the quality of a dog food. They do not tell you the proportions of the ingredients, nor how the food is prepared. They don't tell you about bioavailable nutrition.

What tells you the quality of a food is the health and performance of dogs fed that food. Pro Plan is doing just fine in that regard.

At the moment, my own dogs are on Loyall.

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It's possible that I'm wrong, but I thought ingredients listed on the bag were in order of quantity in the food, similar to human food labels?

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Originally Posted by yellow dog

Going to bed ! Friggen dog food threads. lol

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I know eh! I'm learning my lesson about reviving the old threads lmao.