Crossbow killing

Up close and personal. Must be money for drugs or relationship issues.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

So,it's now official from Toronto Police. The first victim,a female,was killed with a wire garrot (a garrot,ffs). The second victim,a male,was stabbed in the throat with a crossbow bolt. The third victim,another male was stabbed with an arrow. No crossbow was used in the commission of these offences......which is of ZERO consolation. Who the he** is that crazy bas**rd,anyway?

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I've listen to a few of the news reports, there was apparently a crossbow at the scene. The police report seemed a bit ambiguous like they were not sure that it had or hadn't been used. Maybe the kid didn't bring the crossbow with him and found at the site after he garroted the female. This might mean he would have lack the ability to use it effectively in the normal way, opting instead to use the bolts as an instrument to stab. In which case, one would think, that one or both of the two male victims would have attempted to fend him off, and would have had defense wounds, its unlikely he would have caught both totally by surprise. Maybe that was the case with the second male victim that managed to make it out to the driveway. The kid apparently had future wedding plans, you have to wonder what might have drawn him in to such an encounter. Perhaps he was attempting to shed a bit of his past.

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The provincial policy, I was referring to is vocational and related to public safety.

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So the guy garroted the first victim...That speaks volumes..........aka what kind of person chooses them and why.

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Originally Posted by skypilot

The FBI UCR spells it out clearly. Down to the Population Area size, Gender, Race, Age, etc.

That's the other kicker. We know WHERE and WHO yet we do nothing but blame anyone but the doer.

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Oh I know R, plus you and I have talked privately about some things, and in this case because to me it's very pertinent. A certain community we spoke about.

What I was/am pointing out is that the per capita's are wildly different. And while suicides make up the bulk of that, our suicide rates are likewise very similar. With respect to populations, we can look at Toronto which is slightly larger than Chicago (and I think fairly larger than both DC and Baltimore). And yet, rates are vastly different. So what is "different". If we look at "mass shootings". While we have had a few, we aren't even in the same universe, even when accounting for populations. Now does anyone think the US has something in the air or food, that causes more people to be born sociopaths or prone to snapping?

Yep, theres more to it than just GC, but it's certainly part of it.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Oh I know R, plus you and I have talked privately about some things, and in this case because to me it's very pertinent. A certain community we spoke about.

What I was/am pointing out is that the per capita's are wildly different. And while suicides make up the bulk of that, our suicide rates are likewise very similar. With respect to populations, we can look at Toronto which is slightly larger than Chicago (and I think fairly larger than both DC and Baltimore). And yet, rates are vastly different. So what is "different". If we look at "mass shootings". While we have had a few, we aren't even in the same universe, even when accounting for populations. Now does anyone think the US has something in the air or food, that causes more people to be born sociopaths or prone to snapping?

Yep, theres more to it than just GC, but it's certainly part of it.

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I read yesterday claims that are similar to the numbers touted by Bell in their Let's Talk mental health tv commercial. Now US says 1 in 5 have MH issues there, same as Canada.

Look at gun murders per 100k from FBI UCR. IIRC there were 8124 in US. So 2.6/100k

Pretty good actually. If you took the demograpghics out, it would be much better.

However if we add suicides, etc we get somewhere like 4 times as many firearm related deaths.

So in reality we have a MH and Gang problem. Knowing is half the solution right?

However, apparently we must not really care or we would fix it rather than hype it in order to beat legal gun owners over the head and fool people into the disarmament agenda.

Knowing where the problem is and being able to admit it openly seems to be two different things. We certainly can't upset the politically correct.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Knowing where the problem is and being able to admit it openly seems to be two different things. We certainly can't upset the politically correct.

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So true. If we can see it, why can't they or why won't they?

I suppose it serves those whom agenda is nefarious. Odd that our Cops are Pro gun and our politicians anti gun....hmmm

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Originally Posted by skypilot

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So in reality we have a MH and Gang problem. Knowing is half the solution right?

However, apparently we must not really care or we would fix it rather than hype it in order to beat legal gun owners over the head and fool people into the disarmament agenda.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Knowing where the problem is and being able to admit it openly seems to be two different things. We certainly can't upset the politically correct.

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so true
but we don't even try - we discuss here and in real life the merits of restrictions and always seem to be on the defensive. so we should not wonder why we feel the heat - it is the politically simplest solution.
perhaps we should very actively lobby to remind everyone that mental health and gangs are the main cause instead of being on the defensive

Gun deaths (all inclusive) Canada: 2.7ish
Cdn per capita suicide middle aged men. 22.x

So middle aged men are offing themselves at a rate that's 10times the GD per capita, yet what gets all the attention, press and more?