Quality Deer Management Association

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

Then we have QDMA partners like trophyrock http://www.trophyrock.com/partners/

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OOD has sponsors, advertisers and promotions for fundraising too just like QDMA, is there a difference?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I know I bowed out of this thread a while back, but a member seems to be insistent that I was being dishonest, so lets clear that up shall we..

The background;





Clarifying my statement doesn’t seem to have satisfied Gregoire, who continues to insist that I was dishonest in stating that QDMA practices have their roots in captive deer practices.



The facts;

QDMA back in it’s infancy in 1997 appointed Brian Murphy as their CEO :

So who is Brian Murphy, from his Bio…:

Brian P. Murphy is the Chief Executive Officer of the Quality Deer Management Association (QDMA), a position he has held since 1997. He is also a wildlife biologist with a B.S. degree in Range and Wildlife Management from Texas Tech University and a M.S. degree in Wildlife Biology from the University of Georgia.”

But what QDMA fails to fully disclose in his bio, is where Brian Murphy got his background with deer management;

“Following graduation, Brian worked as a Wildlife Research Coordinator for the University of Georgia where he coordinated all deer research at the deer breeding facility.”

It’s at this facility in Georgia, a fenced captive game farm, that Mr. Murphy obtained his knowledge about ‘Quality Deer Management”. And that knowledge, as I have stated, is at the roots in what is now being practiced by the QDMA.

Lets hope that puts that to rest..I was neither “incredibly misinformed”, nor did I post a “misstatement”.

Just because you don't know the facts, doesn't mean I'm “dishonest” for posting them.

edit add: If you want to see a sampling what goes on at the University of Georgia research facility. here's a link

http://http://www.ugadeerresearch.or...ceptibility-2/

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"The Facts:"

QDMA was formed by Joe Hamilton and others in 1988. He was the first executive director.

Brian Murphy was hired by the association as executive director in 1995. There were 2 executive directors before he came on the scene.

Brian's education might have, in part, been at a fenced farm. I think this is typical of many wildlife researchers. However, he didn't start the organization or set their mandate, that was done by others with their own money and sweat equity. These prople weren't high fenced deer farmers, they were for the most part average guys that wanted to improve on what was being done at the time. For anyone interested in the truth, rather than a deliberately slanted & edited set of "facts" check out the following link.

https://www.qdma.com/about/mission-and-history/

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

OOD has sponsors, advertisers and promotions for fundraising too just like QDMA, is there a difference?

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OOD isn't making its mission into a for-profit commercial venture.
And where the items they sell in their online store are overpriced, I don't buy them either.

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

For anyone interested in the truth, rather than a deliberately slanted & edited set of "facts" check out the following link.

https://www.qdma.com/about/mission-and-history/

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The QDMA has been disingenuous with almost every aspect of their mandate and mission...trying to get the 'facts' from their literature is pointless...and providing the truth not found in their literature is not 'slanting' the facts, it's called fact checking.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

OOD isn't making its mission into a for-profit commercial venture.
And where the items they sell in their online store are overpriced, I don't buy them either.

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When did they become a for-profit company? It's still a registered charity from what I can tell. Do you have a link?

https://secure3.convio.net/deer/site...221F3D20&idb=0

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The QDMA has been disingenuous with almost every aspect of their mandate and mission...trying to get the 'facts' from their literature is pointless...and providing the truth not found in their literature is not 'slanting' the facts, it's called fact checking.

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Yes, I'm quite familiar with your "truth". "LOL"

I’m bowing back out of this again…there will always be people who refuse to challenge their beliefs regardless of the facts that put them in question, better to call others dishonest than to accept that your being dishonest with yourself.

All in all, this has become a pointless exercise.

Ta ta

I see no difference between QDMA, Delta Waterfowl, Ducks Unlimited, NWTF, Ruffed Grouse Society, or Pheasants Forever. They are all charitable or non-profit organizations trying to enhance the habitat and well being of a specific animal group. They all have on-line stores selling a variety of products to produce revenue for their projects, as well as other fund raisers. I'm sure you could find people with a bug up their arse for any of these organizations, but, as far as I'm concerned, even though I may not agree with all their philosophies, they are helping the various wildlife they are associated with, as well as other collateral species.

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Originally Posted by delmer

I see no difference between QDMA, Delta Waterfowl, Ducks Unlimited, NWTF, Ruffed Grouse Society, or Pheasants Forever. They are all charitable or non-profit organizations trying to enhance the habitat and well being of a specific animal group. They all have on-line stores selling a variety of products to produce revenue for their projects, as well as other fund raisers. I'm sure you could find people with a bug up their arse for any of these organizations, but, as far as I'm concerned, even though I may not agree with all their philosophies, they are helping the various wildlife they are associated with, as well as other collateral species.

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Well stated. To each his own. Unless an organization is deliberately spreading lies and causing harm or a limitation on others rights (PETA for example) then why slam it and knock others because they choose to belong? I think NWTF does a lot of good work but I quit supporting them when they pulled out of Canada years ago. I'd never knock someone else for supporting them though.

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Originally Posted by Gregoire1960

Well stated. To each his own. Unless an organization is deliberately spreading lies and causing harm or a limitation on others rights (PETA for example) then why slam it and knock others because they choose to belong? I think NWTF does a lot of good work but I quit supporting them when they pulled out of Canada years ago. I'd never knock someone else for supporting them though.

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Was there not some fraud with the NWTF before they pulled out of Canada.