This Should send a message to the Government of Quebec and the Federal Liberals

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

If you were to give police officers a TEST on the storage laws I would bet MOST of them would fail and that is a real problem.The officers the would not fail would probably be hunters,target shooters themselves who have taken the time to dig into the laws.

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True enough. But charges laid where there is no case are not going to go far.

Re knowledge of the laws, the flipside of cops who don't know the laws is that most gun owners seem to have only a superficial knowledge of our fun laws, coupled with overconfidence, which leads to people doing things that are illegal while believing they followed the law.


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Originally Posted by Gilroy

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" Police will not lay charges and the Crown certainly won't pursue them unless they can make a good faith case. So, while the cops may try to "get" someone who for some reason is on their radar, it's very rare they'll do that without evidence of a real offence"

Although you believe this truly and for the most part it is true the real problem is LACK OF KNOWLEDGE and CLEAR GUIDANCE about the actual laws.

If you were to give police officers a TEST on the storage laws I would bet MOST of them would fail and that is a real problem.The officers the would not fail would probably be hunters,target shooters themselves who have taken the time to dig into the laws.

The average officer who respond,s to a call is probably Normy Newguy as we affectionately called them as rookies.They have almost no idea about the differences between storage,display,in use.There is a knee jerk reaction with police and firearms that is long standing and the default position is Charge,Seize,
cover your arse and let the Crown deal with it.This is the harsh reality in most cases.

The first line of defence is NOT TO INVITE,ALLOW OR BE PERSUADED TO HAVE THEM ENTER YOUR DWELLING.The second defence is not to be sloppy in how you store your guns.

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I would agree ! Unfortunately that shows the lack of proper in-service training......something I faught for, for years ! My opinion was/is that every recruit must take the Canadian Firearms Safety course....

I do not understand, how and why some people get the impression that, 'law enforcement', is out to get them. Personnel experience? What was it that you did to put yourself on their radar. I have never felt like I was being watched as they wait for me to make a mistake.

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Originally Posted by welsh

True enough. But charges laid where there is no case are not going to go far.

Re knowledge of the laws, the flipside of cops who don't know the laws is that most gun owners seem to have only a superficial knowledge of our fun laws, coupled with overconfidence, which leads to people doing things that are illegal while believing they followed the law.


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Charges laid that are not going far can devastate a family financially and mentally.I do agree with you that some gun owners play a little fast and loose with the laws but on the other hand there are plenty of people who have far more knowledge of firearms and the laws than the average police officer.

I do not know the level of training the police officers are receiving now but it is probably woefully inadequate as it was 20 years ago. The manuel given to me as a local firearms officer on the firearms act was 1600 pages if memory serves me well and difficult to interpret. Trying to do a good job I was on the phone often to a lawyer in Toronto I knew who was a firearms specialist,the CPFO and the lead lawyer in Ottawa for the government,trying to get answers to questions I had.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

I do not understand, how and why some people get the impression that, 'law enforcement', is out to get them. Personnel experience? What was it that you did to put yourself on their radar. I have never felt like I was being watched as they wait for me to make a mistake.

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Well unfortunately its true in some cases and Mike Hardgreaves is one such example and I can tell you from personal experience that he was targeted for charges.The Crown Attorney,s office came up against him when he testified as a expert witness in Crown cases which they lost.Instead of blaming the police it was better to take this man down.There were some complaints (supposedly) that he was passing armed security guards to easily in their restricted firearms training,cutting corners to make money.One of Mike,s best friends was retired Toronto Deputy Chief Constable Peter Scott now deceased whom I worked for as a rookie.Peter and Mike were both from England and pretty straight up guys,I do not think Deputy Scott would keep friends with persons of bad character.

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

I would agree ! Unfortunately that shows the lack of proper in-service training......something I faught for, for years ! My opinion was/is that every recruit must take the Canadian Firearms Safety course....

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I agree with you fully and even as a firearms officer I had not enough training even to handle firearms outside what I was trained on and I was one of the better one,s as at least I was a hunter.Police officers in Toronto back in the day would rely on somebody at the station to safety guns taken into the station Or even have the ETF come to a home to have the guns checked prior to moving them.The CFSC should be one of the requirements passed before you even apply for the job.The cost would be borne by the applicant and their training would be faster and easier at Aylmer.

On that vein I believe hands on range practice should be a component of the CFSC and its hard to figure out why its not apart from range availability,insurance..

I’ve downloaded and printed a summarized version of the safe storage regs that I found on a webpage which I think was from the RCMP or Canadian Firearms Centre - following that was the best defence I could think of