30-30 vs 308 vs 30-06 - Cast Iron Skillets

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Originally Posted by Fox

How does cement change anything?

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I would think it would provide another medium to shoot through to test back end damage. Just forpoops and giggles more than anything. Lol


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Originally Posted by Goosesniper

I would think it would provide another medium to shoot through to test back end damage. Just forpoops and giggles more than anything. Lol


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There are lots of videos of guys shooting cinder blocks....they just shatter, leave a pile of ruble and don't provide a picture of the flight path. Plus they don't 'gong' :)

Nothing beats Paul Harrell’s meat target! Lol


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Originally Posted by Fox

I have never seen the 458 FTX bullet, what velocity were you running? I would assume that since it was from a muzzle loader that it was not running very fast, that bullet is designed to be shot out of a 450 Marlin at 2200fps at the muzzle.

I have ELD-X bullets for one rifle and they are also the SST, they blow up in a tree I can say that.

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My muzzleloader is smokeless so they were around 2400fps with my hunting load. Also you can't just say every bullet with a plastic tip is an sst.

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Originally Posted by Fox

I have never seen the 458 FTX bullet, what velocity were you running? I would assume that since it was from a muzzle loader that it was not running very fast, that bullet is designed to be shot out of a 450 Marlin at 2200fps at the muzzle.

I have ELD-X bullets for one rifle and they are also the SST, they blow up in a tree I can say that.

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Originally Posted by rippin_355

My muzzleloader is smokeless so they were around 2400fps with my hunting load. Also you can't just say every bullet with a plastic tip is an sst.

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I can tell you that at over 2700 fps that 458 325 SST will delaminate. I’ve literally picked up more than one skin. I don’t use them for hunting deer.

.452 300 SST will also delaminate again my personal first hand encounters.

The mono flex Hornady 250 grain is an all copper. So is the Barnes 300 TTSX. I’ve pushed those pills a kiss away from 3000 fps and around 2 inch groups at 300 yards. I can get them over 3000 but my groups open up.

Never recovered one from a deer.

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Originally Posted by rippin_355

My muzzleloader is smokeless so they were around 2400fps with my hunting load. Also you can't just say every bullet with a plastic tip is an sst.

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That is not what I said, what I said was that the FTX bullet specifically is the same design as the SST with a flexible tip.
The Hornady site seems to say almost the same thing between the 2 bullet lines. On top of that I did a lot of research into the FTX before we using it and there are a lot of people who talk about these bullets as rapid expansion, not something they would be using for large or dangerous game, very similar to what is being said about the SST. The ELD-X is stated to be designed to retain 50-60% of the weight, that to me is pretty explosive for a big game bullet.

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/sst-...-shock-tip)#!/
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/ftx#!/
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/eld-x#!/

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

The mono flex Hornady 250 grain is an all copper. So is the Barnes 300 TTSX. I’ve pushed those pills a kiss away from 3000 fps and around 2 inch groups at 300 yards. I can get them over 3000 but my groups open up.

Never recovered one from a deer.

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I am curious if those monoflex bullets open up at slow speeds, the Barnes is still a high velocity bullet right, I have not heard of the minimum expansion velocity dropping.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

The mono flex Hornady 250 grain is an all copper. So is the Barnes 300 TTSX. I’ve pushed those pills a kiss away from 3000 fps and around 2 inch groups at 300 yards. I can get them over 3000 but my groups open up.

Never recovered one from a deer.

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300g ttsx at 3000,
I don't think you'd find them shooting through 5 deer lined up side by side..lol

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Originally Posted by Fox

I am curious if those monoflex bullets open up at slow speeds, the Barnes is still a high velocity bullet right, I have not heard of the minimum expansion velocity dropping.

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Not sure but they are harder than the TTSX. Hard enough to snap a press lol. Best part of that was talking to lee precision and being honest about how I broke the press and them sending the repair parts free. They are accurate bullets but I had to push them hard high 2800’s if memory serves me.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

300g ttsx at 3000,
I don't think you'd find them shooting through 5 deer lined up side by side..lol

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Lol I run then 2450 for whitetail Hunt. Best accuracy is faster though....

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Not sure but they are harder than the TTSX. Hard enough to snap a press lol. Best part of that was talking to lee precision and being honest about how I broke the press and them sending the repair parts free. They are accurate bullets but I had to push them hard high 2800’s if memory serves me.

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Ya, see this is why I was iffy to try them out in the 30-30, just not enough velocity. I cannot do testing on bullets with real animals so sticking with the FTX in hers and traditional in mine until I run out seems like the best course of action.