Moose Management changes 2020/2021

Oops! Yer right! 2 tags per moose is what I meant. Those were the happy days. If it was brown, it was down.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

Its been longer than 5 or 6 years. Seasons have been shut down at least twice that I know of, once back around 1890 then again in the late '40's. Continuous declines in the population have been noticed since the early '60's then in the early '70's when we saw the first of the reduced seasons. 1980 saw 2 tags per moose and since then its been jiggled and worked and tweeked to find some positive solution. Nothing much has worked. In reality, the only thing that can and will work is a full closure for EVERYONE for something like 5 years or maybe even longer. For these closures it won't be the government who wants the cash from licence sales, it'll be outfitters, service stations, restaurants and hunting supply stores that scream the loudest.

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It’s worth looking at the systems Alberta and British Columbia are using. B.C. Has no lottery, a very simple system. A moose must have 10 points a side to be legal, period. Then in areas that become able to support a larger harvest, they add spikes and forks to the legal list. They have a strong moose population and hunt, and the advantage is everyone gets to participate. Disadvantage obviously while you may see many moose finding a shooter is very rare and typically requires accessing areas others can’t on foot or by water.

In Alberta they run a lottery like Ontario but without party hunting and also with some very low success rates. A successful applicant may hunt with one guest on his/her tag. Everyone unsuccessful stays home. The advantage of this system is those who draw have it all to themselves.

One of the other major differences between both AB, BC and here is that in both those provinces it’s way tougher to get were the moose live than it is here. That’s affecting the hunting here more than most hunters care to admit. I think common sense says a good moose camp isn’t road accessible the same way great fishing isn’t.

Seems like in Ontario we still haven’t made any of the tough choices we need to make. This is just kicking the can down the road

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Originally Posted by outdoorlife

It’s worth looking at the systems Alberta and British Columbia are using. B.C. Has no lottery, a very simple system. A moose must have 10 points a side to be legal, period. Then in areas that become able to support a larger harvest, they add spikes and forks to the legal list. They have a strong moose population and hunt, and the advantage is everyone gets to participate. Disadvantage obviously while you may see many moose finding a shooter is very rare and typically requires accessing areas others can’t on foot or by water.

In Alberta they run a lottery like Ontario but without party hunting and also with some very low success rates. A successful applicant may hunt with one guest on his/her tag. Everyone unsuccessful stays home. The advantage of this system is those who draw have it all to themselves.

One of the other major differences between both AB, BC and here is that in both those provinces it’s way tougher to get were the moose live than it is here. That’s affecting the hunting here more than most hunters care to admit. I think common sense says a good moose camp isn’t road accessible the same way great fishing isn’t.

Seems like in Ontario we still haven’t made any of the tough choices we need to make. This is just kicking the can down the road

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That's an interesting observation which may very well happen,here,if there's no substantial improvement after the new system is implemented. I'm also aware that in western provinces,ATV use is limited to game retrieval,only,if even allowed for that.

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Originally Posted by Paul J

I am new to this site but I agree with closing the season but it will never happen to many $ involved. So why is the moose population so low? What has changed in the last five or so years? Or is it a case of the government being to late reacting

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Originally Posted by outdoorlife

It’s worth looking at the systems Alberta and British Columbia are using. B.C. Has no lottery, a very simple system. A moose must have 10 points a side to be legal, period. Then in areas that become able to support a larger harvest, they add spikes and forks to the legal list. They have a strong moose population and hunt, and the advantage is everyone gets to participate. Disadvantage obviously while you may see many moose finding a shooter is very rare and typically requires accessing areas others can’t on foot or by water.

In Alberta they run a lottery like Ontario but without party hunting and also with some very low success rates. A successful applicant may hunt with one guest on his/her tag. Everyone unsuccessful stays home. The advantage of this system is those who draw have it all to themselves.

One of the other major differences between both AB, BC and here is that in both those provinces it’s way tougher to get were the moose live than it is here. That’s affecting the hunting here more than most hunters care to admit. I think common sense says a good moose camp isn’t road accessible the same way great fishing isn’t.

Seems like in Ontario we still haven’t made any of the tough choices we need to make. This is just kicking the can down the road

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It depends on where in BC you hunt. A couple buddies out there have gone a few years without getting a tag. In the northern areas, the 10 points a side and three brow tines kick in. They have a convoluted system out there.

No other province in Canada has a higher percentage of moose hunters to actual moose. Its not even close either.

A third of Canada lives in Ontario. Its not as easy as saying "do what Quebec does". Literally no one else faces the challenges our game managers have to with moose

This is how the point system works in Alberta. Hopefully Ontario adopts this method to show how many points needed for different areas. This is for mule deer but shows the gist of it.
https://www.albertarelm.com/cust.dra...uledeer19.page

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Originally Posted by shedherder

This is how the point system works in Alberta. Hopefully Ontario adopts this method to show how many points needed for different areas. This is for mule deer but shows the gist of it.
https://www.albertarelm.com/cust.dra...uledeer19.page

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I would hope Ontario doesn’t try to reinvent the wheel, and fashions our system after a successful system already in use.....

The PP system should have been put in place 30 years ago
Is way to late know when there is no more moose left
The system that the MNR has right now is the worse system to manage wildlife
The MNR doesn’t even have a clue how many moose are out there
How can you manage if you don’t know what the number are
Is a guessing game for them
No real number

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Originally Posted by skull

The PP system should have been put in place 30 years ago
Is way to late know when there is no more moose left
The system that the MNR has right now is the worse system to manage wildlife
The MNR doesn’t even have a clue how many moose are out there
How can you manage if you don’t know what the number are
Is a guessing game for them
No real number

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And yet when you talk to guys actually working in the bush, say there’s lot of moose.