Moose Points are now posted

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

I was trying to figure out how this would work. There's a bit of thinking to be done about what you want to do and how to work it out with your buddies. For example, if you are making a long trip to hunt and only are going to go if you have a cow/bull tag, then only apply for cow/bull. But if you want to hunt every year even with only a calf tag, then the guys with most points should apply for cow/bull and the guys with lesser points should apply for a calf. Of the guys who get calf tags, the guy with least points should accept his and the others should return theirs for next year. You could accept more than 1 calf tag, but that will decrease your odds of a calf tag next near. Depends on how many guys you have together. Being able to return a tag gives a whole lot of flexibility in hunt planning.

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Yes seems like the strategist will do well with this new system.
I read it a few more times and I think the calf tags will be left to the end for the Second Chance Allocation in the second and third choice draw where you retain your points???
Unless you have a big group and have one hunter put in for calf.
Not sure about cow/calf draw? is that for every WMU?
There's still lots we need to find out IMO.
Being able to return a tag gives a whole lot of flexibility in hunt planning for sure.
Well as long as I get one more before I drop...lol, would be nice to hunt where I live and work.

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Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Yes seems like the strategist will do well with this new system.
I read it a few more times and I think the calf tags will be left to the end for the Second Chance Allocation in the second and third choice draw where you retain your points???
Unless you have a big group and have one hunter put in for calf.
Not sure about cow/calf draw? is that for every WMU?
There's still lots we need to find out IMO.
Being able to return a tag gives a whole lot of flexibility in hunt planning for sure.
Well as long as I get one more before I drop...lol, would be nice to hunt where I live and work.

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From what I read everything will be done earlier too, so planning should be better than having everything lined up only to find out you struck out on tags as in the past, then again they say that the draw will be earlier, will they actually send out the results earlier, I don't know.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

I was trying to figure out how this would work. There's a bit of thinking to be done about what you want to do and how to work it out with your buddies. For example, if you are making a long trip to hunt and only are going to go if you have a cow/bull tag, then only apply for cow/bull. But if you want to hunt every year even with only a calf tag, then the guys with most points should apply for cow/bull and the guys with lesser points should apply for a calf. Of the guys who get calf tags, the guy with least points should accept his and the others should return theirs for next year. You could accept more than 1 calf tag, but that will decrease your odds of a calf tag next near. Depends on how many guys you have together. Being able to return a tag gives a whole lot of flexibility in hunt planning.

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That's exactly the way I see it. I hope it works out for most of us.

I don't like this new system at all.

At least before we knew where we stood and the outcome was pretty predictable. Apart from the guaranteed group size issue which irked a lot of individual applicants, the system was good. If they wanted to eliminate group applications, they should have done just that. Also everyone had an equal chance as the system was random draw.

Another thing I don't like is the huge increase in cost per person that they are sneaking in here for people that want to go moose hunting. The price of a tag was ~$55 before now it is $250. If your friends come with you they need to pay $50 each. So say 4 of your friends come it will be $200 + 250 =450. 450/5 = $90 each! Is my math or figures wrong? Did no one notice this?

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

I don't like this new system at all.

At least before we knew where we stood and the outcome was pretty predictable. Apart from the guaranteed group size issue which irked a lot of individual applicants, the system was good. If they wanted to eliminate group applications, they should have done just that. Also everyone had an equal chance as the system was random draw.

Another thing I don't like is the huge increase in cost per person that they are sneaking in here for people that want to go moose hunting. The price of a tag was ~$55 before now it is $250. If your friends come with you they need to pay $50 each. So say 4 of your friends come it will be $200 + 250 =450. 450/5 = $90 each! Is my math or figures wrong? Did no one notice this?

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You do realize that $250 bull tag and $50 licence fee is only on the years you actually get a tag. All other years are $15. I see that as a significant cost savings on all the years you can't hunt as you don't have a tag

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Originally Posted by FishHog

You do realize that $250 bull tag and $50 licence fee is only on the years you actually get a tag. All other years are $15. I see that as a significant cost savings on all the years you can't hunt as you don't have a tag

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Yes. I did say for people that want to actually GO moose hunting. You can't go with paying only $15. And someone you go with has to have a tag.

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

Yes. I did say for people that want to actually GO moose hunting. You can't go with paying only $15. And someone you go with has to have a tag.

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Unless you know 20 hunters with 20+ points or are willing to go near the Manitoba border every year to draw a tag or get one in the 2nd allocation, you likely won't be going every year as in past years with all the calf hunting.(which is a good thing)

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Originally Posted by Ahuntr300

I don't like this new system at all.

At least before we knew where we stood and the outcome was pretty predictable. Apart from the guaranteed group size issue which irked a lot of individual applicants, the system was good. If they wanted to eliminate group applications, they should have done just that. Also everyone had an equal chance as the system was random draw.

Another thing I don't like is the huge increase in cost per person that they are sneaking in here for people that want to go moose hunting. The price of a tag was ~$55 before now it is $250. If your friends come with you they need to pay $50 each. So say 4 of your friends come it will be $200 + 250 =450. 450/5 = $90 each! Is my math or figures wrong? Did no one notice this?

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So $55 with only a chance to take a calf or $90 with 4 guys going after a bull.

Most groups are larger than that, take a gang of 8 guys. That is $400+$250 = $650/8 = $81.25 to go hunting for a bull. Also, as has been mentioned before, you used to pay $55 for 10 years or more to get a chance at a bull, so $550 with no chance to hunt one, or $150 to build up the points to go after one now.

I know the 10 years would be dependent on zone but it was more expensive to get into the draw before.

I think the new system actually encourages gangs to form. And allows people to opt in or out. Is that not good?

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Originally Posted by dilly

I think the new system actually encourages gangs to form. And allows people to opt in or out. Is that not good?

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I agree. The vast majority of people want to go in a gang. Moose hunting is hard and no fun by yourself.

Either way it will cost more for the same group to go now that it did in the past. Fox worked out 10 people $81 each vs old $55 each- so is that not more expensive?

And most groups managed to get a tag most of the times between the members with the old system.