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Originally Posted by GW11

Ask him if he cares...

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.......in jail after repeated violations.

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Originally Posted by x_xeon_x

If we're talking about the real sticks then yes land is cheaper, but cost of living is not, especially if you want to keep a similar lifestyle.

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I don't think ""keeping a similar lifestyle" is really a concern for people who find themselves poaching just to put food on the table.

The rural poor are POOR. And moving to Toronto is not really much of an option in that bracket.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

You don't realise how poor some of the poor in Canada are...and many of those are "working poor" not on welfare. To move to a city to find a job costs money that they don't have, and unless you have someone you can stay with in the city, where are you going to stay? A homeless shelter.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by GW11

So a guy in "anywhere" Ontario illegally shoots a few deer over the course of his lifetime to get his family over the rough spots and it allows him to stay in the house he was born and raised in rather than move to the city and collect welfare. This affects you how?
There's probably more right to that than allowing me to shoot 3 deer in a season (even though I have lots of meat) just because I can afford the extra tags.

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Change that 'guy" into a 'first nations' person, and see what kind of response you get. Where you shoot and how many tags you get, are regulated proportionally to deer populations, not unemployment numbers.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Change that 'guy" into a 'first nations' person, and see what kind of response you get. Where you shoot and how many tags you get, are regulated proportionally to deer populations, not unemployment numbers.

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We're not talking about first nations people. We're talking about a guy who is desperate enough to resort to poaching to feed his family. Believe me, this hypothetical guy couldn't care less whether or not you or anyone else thinks he's a poacher. As far as getting caught goes... well they're not your average poacher. They don't take more than they need and they sure as heck aren't out there doing it in blaze orange during an open season. They don't often get caught.

Is it illegal? Absolutely. Is it morally wrong? Opinions will vary on that, obviously.

As I was reading the various comments I kept thinking about the game First Nation people take - finally someone mentioned it - many of them pretty much live off the land and I think that if you lived far enough North you use this as an excuse to poach deer or whatever - feeling that if they can why can't I -

There is poaching and there is poaching - if someone shoots a deer because they don't have anything to eat - I have no problems - if they shoot one just to have some fun and some extra meat - I would have problems - you let wolves, coyotes and bear kill deer and think that it is ok because they have to eat -

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That's just because everyone in the "sticks" know that anybody from Tronna are STP's (stupid Toronto people):fish:.

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I know plenty of people from the sticks and they dont display this attitude,maybe I hang around with decent people.Your from a town where Mosques are burned down,are you not.

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Originally Posted by GW11

We're not talking about first nations people. We're talking about a guy who is desperate enough to resort to poaching to feed his family. Believe me, this hypothetical guy couldn't care less whether or not you or anyone else thinks he's a poacher. As far as getting caught goes... well they're not your average poacher. They don't take more than they need and they sure as heck aren't out there doing it in blaze orange during an open season. They don't often get caught.

Is it illegal? Absolutely. Is it morally wrong? Opinions will vary on that, obviously.

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Hard to believe on a hunting forum anybody would support poaching. Its not the dirty thirties anymore and you cannot condone this type of thinking,bad for the sport and bad for young hunters reading this crap.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Hard to believe on a hunting forum anybody would support poaching. Its not the dirty thirties anymore and you cannot condone this type of thinking,bad for the sport and bad for young hunters reading this crap.

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I don't believe that I said anywhere that I supported it, just spelling it out for those that can't see beyond their bubble. I guess maybe you're in the bubble too. When's the last time you've been in Northern Ontario Gilroy? It's not far from the dirty thirties in some places. It's easy to sit back and judge while you open a bottle of wine and decide whether it's steak or chicken tonight.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I know plenty of people from the sticks and they dont display this attitude,maybe I hang around with decent people.Your from a town where Mosques are burned down,are you not.

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Nope,that was in Peterborough and to hear Liberals talk,someone tried to level the joint and kill everyone in sight,but,it sure made a great photo-op for Justin,didn't it? It's turning out that it may have been a couple of 8 year olds messing with stuff that got away from them.........and I still say Peterborough is the best place to raise a family (from the other thread).

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Sure just do not steal OUR deer because you do not want to move. If you do poach, expect to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Do not excuse law breaking just because they do not live in a city.

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Ofah members should be promoting ethical hunting laws. This argument is the same as saying someone up north can steal and rob because of financial hardship. So really we should be promoting legal and ethical hunting because poaching is against the law just like stealing and robbing is against the law. Not sure there is grey area. So please promote ethical hunting on a public forum. So I have to agree with his argument.