Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

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Originally Posted by JBen

LMAO again :)
Been a couple years now of uncooperative weather and snakebites.
This year I have a huge and I do mean huge bodied 10 pointer that was at 30 yards giving me nightmares, was waltzing right into my lane when the little puke of a spike in front of him froze for some inexplicable reason. It wasn't the wind, and given I hadn't moved or made a sound, just no reason for it. I could have taken the spiker with eyes closed. 20 yards in my lane standing still as a statue for a good 2 minutes, never once looked at me. I don't know anyone that would have played it differently and in hindsight once turned and started walking back towards the brute I should have put meat in the freezer but there was still a chance they'd take the trail to my left lane.
/sigh

Do you head up in winter? Im right on your way if Im not mistaken.

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Yeh a couple of times I might go up and snow shoe in to check the place.Not much deer around in the winter they generally have yarded up south.

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Originally Posted by Roper

Tory is a jellyfish.

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I kinda liked the guy and thought he was doing a good job,but these tolls have me lost.The property taxes out my way are higher than Toronto and most other area,s surrounding the GTA are much higher, he would have to increase property taxes by at least 10 to 15% just to keep even with some areas.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

You were no less in danger if the registry told you there were firearms in the house. The registry only accounted for firearms which were in it's system; not unregistered ones or illegal ones. It is a false safety which you were extremely fortuneate didn't blow up in your face. Long gun owners are responsible for their guns because of the storage restrictions in the firearms act, not because of a registry. You used normal precautions because you knew the registry wasn't a complete picture of what potential firearms are in the house.



You get a call to a domestic and you should already prepare for firearms to be in the house (whether the owners have a firearms license or not or if the registry says there is one there or not). First questions to the complaints should be are there any firearms in the house and if so, are they secure and may I see your firearms license.

Handguns aren't the only firearms which need to be registered with the government. Any restricted and prohibited firearms are required to be registered with the government because it has been determined by parliament that a higher level of operator care must be used and enforced when using those firearms coupled with the insane requirement that a special authorization to transport is necessary for the gun itself. Long guns have been determined to be the group of firearms which require the least supervision and enforcement and so aren't required to have any more special government "oversight".

As a police officer for the number of years which you claim to be and a hunter, I fail to understand how you are so misinformed about the firearm laws in this country.

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I cant have been so badly trained as I was one of the first Provincially appointed Firearms Officers in Ontario and was also the firearms officer who gave lectures to the troops. I think after having the 1300 page firearms legislation on my desk for 5 years I might know a few things.

Shoot me a note if/when you do. Places to meet for pops or coffee if not here.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Gilroy having a gun in the registry did that tell you where it was located at that very moment in time?if not it was even more usless. Looking to see if a person had a PAL would give you all the information you need. You know that the person likely owns a gun.

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Well not quite accurate in my experience.A gun registered in the long gun registry could be at a persons residence or his home or elsewhere.But if you at least know what arms they own you can go about seizing them if needed by a Judges order for instance.
Presently the officers will have no idea if a guy has one long rifle or fifty.Having a PAL does not mean you own guns.I have approved
applicants for PAL,s that needed them for work like armed security.They do not own the guns and are not allowed to take them home.

I have also approved PAL,s for students from the UOT who needed the PAL,s to handle shotguns while in field surveys in the far north.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Shoot me a note if/when you do. Places to meet for pops or coffee if not here.

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That would be great.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

They get secured first.

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You mean you want me to open my locked storage and let you walk out of the place with my firearms.

Not happening!

Just the way I like it....period. What I do and what I have as a legal law abiding citizen is none of their business....[QUOTE=Gilroy;1007448]
Presently the officers will have no idea if a guy has one long rifle or fifty.QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I cant have been so badly trained as I was one of the first Provincially appointed Firearms Officers in Ontario and was also the firearms officer who gave lectures to the troops. I think after having the 1300 page firearms legislation on my desk for 5 years I might know a few things.

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People get promoted all the time who don't know what the hell they are doing. That isn't an argument you should use to try to defend the appearance of how little you understand the law.

All the usual registry arguments get trotted out, on schedule. It's not clear why we would be debating the registry, as it's a dead issue. The feds are not going to reinstate it and other than Quebec, no province has so much as hinted that they would create a provincial registry.


On registries in general, what's never mentioned in these threads is that registries have one obvious and indisputable benefit: in conjunction with licensing, they provide a strong control over transfers into the black market. That is, if I can only sell to a licensed person and if each sale has to be registered, then it becomes very risky for me to sell to unlicensed people. On the other hand, in the absence of a registry, I can sell to anyone with no fear that the sale will be traced back to me.


As I said earlier, the risk is less that law-abiding gun owners will sell to criminals than that people can obtain licences for the purpose of straw buying. The handgun registry has closed this door, and this is why gangs have had to turn to smuggling.


The thing about the long gun registry is, at the time of its creation there was no reasonable argument that this control over black market transfers was necessary for long guns. There was no real reason to think that transfers of long guns into the black market presented a significant concern. The irony of it is, though, that since the expiry of the Clinton AWB, the long gun market has changed significantly, and that argument can now be made ... which leaves a future government determined to register semi-autos, but faced with the reality that the LGR is a dead duck, with one obvious alternative: restrict them.