Running Coyotes and Trespassing

MIKEPAL "Go back and read my post #54 ....it happened..this past fall, CO's were involved and no charges were laid."

R. This is only one incident and we are taking your word for it, the MNR have indicated they would lay trespass charges where dogs are involved if they become the source of complaints. The other alternative for landowners are many,including taking the dogs to a pound,calling bye law officers.......

I don't know where you got they idea that I was defending trespassing Gilroy, my posts have only said; most rural people don't care that dogs hunters cross their land. If they don't care it's not 'illegal' trespassing.

R. I did not say you were defending trespassing ANYWHERE did I? My post indicated YOU can only speak for yourself and you cannot speak for MOST rural people.

You keep saying you wouldn't let them on your land, well bully for you.

R.Again you get it wrong,where did I say this,quote a post #.



As I said, out here you'd be in the minority.

R.That would not bother me and again your talking only about your area,right?


The gangs that run the dogs not doubt have found people of your ilk where they run the dogs and do their best to avoid confrontation

R.The best way to avoid confrontation is to not run your dogs on land they have no business on.



That fact is, the sport continues and their efforts are appreciated by the vast majority of the property owners and farmers despite people like you and some others on here.

R.If you had taken the care to read my post #33 you would realize I EXPRESSED THE SAME SENTIMENT in the last two paragraphs of that post.This is what was written



"Now with all that being said these coyote hunters do provide a service for farmers and landowners and I think they should be appreciated for that.If you own land and like to hunt small game or deer I think it would be wise to allow them onto the land.

If I owned a single lot in a large area where permission has been obtained from all the other properties I would want to keep my neighbors happy especially if they raise livestock, why be a spoiler when you do not have to be.Its all about compromise and attitude, if the hunters gave me attitude there would not be any compromise."


I await your apology.

When I hunted with several others who ran hounds,we started in early October knocking on doors and calling friends for permission to run the dogs starting in January as soon as Deer-archery season ended. Because the farmers were friends and neighbors and everyone knew each other,we could run four or five concession roads and lock up half a township. It was frickin' awesome because the pelts were worth good money. We all did very well because it paid for all our hunting and then some. Livestock operators were happy as clams. Fast forward 25 years and the change in ownership and attitude is mind-boggling. Running hounds has become an almost impossible endeavor without major repercussions with new(er) landowners. A lot hunt their own property and I really respect that (of course),so,instead of hunting with hounds,I got permission from several farms and hunt them,exclusively. I sure miss the dogs,though,but,times are changing and we need to adapt.

Most Coyotes hunters I know, do so without the use of dogs. It was one reason why I was wondering if some property owners dont allow it or appreciate it. Round here, theres tons of Yotes. Yet I dont here a lot of shooting (nor dogs on the run), though know a lot of farmers appreciate it. But theres also a lot of livestock, and for that matter residential buildings being built along the concessions. My assumption is that the vast majority of the Coyote hunting taking place is by individuals, or guys without dogs. Doubt many home owners fence their back yards either. All of these preceding could be reasons why landowners prefer(?) hunters vs dogs. Dont know.

Regardless.
The OP made it very clear that no-ones asking............to find out, nor get permission.....

I maybe a urban snowflake, but even I know basic good manners and common courtesy. Whether thats asking permission to go onto someone's property or reading what's said and or implied.

And on the inevitable topic of "shooting dogs". People with livestock can "end of argument" per se.
In the end, I imagine that like having permission is up to the landowner, is up to a judge....if it goes that far.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

This is only one incident and we are taking your word for it, ...

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You besmirch my honesty and you want an apology...not likely...

back in the day during the winter farmers dried up their cows and to make a bit of coin on the side and for something to do almost all of them ran hounds. time were different no one really cared who was on their land mainly because they were all neighbours.
cut to 2017. almost all the family farms are gone and their farm houses have either been sectioned off or people from the cities bought them. people are still running hounds but it is not the neighborhood farmers doing it where they knew one another. Trespassing is a whole different issue than it was 50 years ago. Houndsmen dogs are cutting across land where people don't want them and shooting from the road while years ago was nod nod wink wink is now illegal and dangerous. The optics of pickups lining the roads and guys with guns make new comers to the rural live uneasy and they phone the authorities. In todays world it is next to impossible not to break some sort of law running hounds and too bad a long rural tradition is probably going to disappear in a few years.

You all still talking about this shyte. It's simple really.? Shooting dogs is illegal unless harassing people or livestock on your property. Trespassing ( hounds or humans ) Is illegal and should be reported to the authorities so they can deal with it. I would hope that anyone that finds a wayward hound look after it until the owner or township ( pound) can take over .

The only beef had by the OP was that NO BODY ASKED if it was OK to run coyotes across his land ,and in my humble opinion ,he has a fair point.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

You besmirch my honesty and you want an apology...not likely...

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LOL You have been flamed enough on this threat, I would say your toasted by now.

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Originally Posted by bardern

back in the day during the winter farmers dried up their cows and to make a bit of coin on the side and for something to do almost all of them ran hounds. time were different no one really cared who was on their land mainly because they were all neighbours.
cut to 2017. almost all the family farms are gone and their farm houses have either been sectioned off or people from the cities bought them. people are still running hounds but it is not the neighborhood farmers doing it where they knew one another. Trespassing is a whole different issue than it was 50 years ago. Houndsmen dogs are cutting across land where people don't want them and shooting from the road while years ago was nod nod wink wink is now illegal and dangerous. The optics of pickups lining the roads and guys with guns make new comers to the rural live uneasy and they phone the authorities. In todays world it is next to impossible not to break some sort of law running hounds and too bad a long rural tradition is probably going to disappear in a few years.

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I know of neighbours who tresspass on other neighbours even when they have agreements in place, deer and coyote hunting, dogs and not.

The fact that people knew each other has nothing to do with it, in the past people talked and had permission to be on other peoples property, now they do not. If you run dogs you are responsible for them, you need to do the proper thing and talk to the neighbours and ask permission. It is one thing for the dog to run on to property that you do not have permission to hunt on, it is an entirely different thing to go on that property to release the dogs or knowingly trespass, as these people have does to the original poster.

Trespassing has always been illegal and I would like to know when keeping a loaded firearm in a vehicle and discharging it from said vehicle on or across the roadway was legal.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Trespassing has always been illegal and I would like to know when keeping a loaded firearm in a vehicle and discharging it from said vehicle on or across the roadway was legal.

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I don't think anyone posted about "loaded firearms in vehicles" unless I missed something.

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Originally Posted by bardern

cut to 2017. almost all the family farms are gone and their farm houses have either been sectioned off or people from the cities bought them. people are still running hounds but it is not the neighborhood farmers doing it where they knew one another. Trespassing is a whole different issue than it was 50 years ago. Houndsmen dogs are cutting across land where people don't want them and shooting from the road while years ago was nod nod wink wink is now illegal and dangerous. The optics of pickups lining the roads and guys with guns make new comers to the rural live uneasy and they phone the authorities. In todays world it is next to impossible not to break some sort of law running hounds and too bad a long rural tradition is probably going to disappear in a few years.

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That’s very true…the two hunt camps I have known for the past 20 yrs that run their dogs across the concessions where my property is located are very respectful hunters and community members. Because they have been doing so for 50+ yrs around here they know all the owners of the majority of the tracks of lands and of course they have permission to run the dogs across the property that they hunt.

But like you mention, they have also told us nowadays have to work a lot harder to get permission, if at all possible, from the new “back to nature type” property owners who are adamant that don’t want to see wild animals killed on their property. Some come around after some education on how the runs are conducted or they quickly change their minds after a pack of yotes visit them at 2:00am. It doesn't take long before they fear for their hobby farm critters and pets so they often change their mind, if ever so begrudgingly the next time the camp asks for permission.

Like the OP found, not all hunters follow the basic rules and seek permission before they hunt, just like not all the urbanites that move out to the country are ‘cidiots’.

As many have said, civil communication can usually resolve the problem.