Moose Management changes 2020/2021

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

And yet when you talk to guys actually working in the bush, say there’s lot of moose.

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I know exactly how it is
10 guys seen 1 moose, know there is 10 moose because 10 different people seen the same moose

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Originally Posted by skull

I know exactly how it is
10 guys seen 1 moose, know there is 10 moose because 10 different people seen the same moose

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Exactly!
I have 4 deer living and seeking shelter in my backyard every day. Sometimes I see them all at once and other times one by one.
I can honestly say in a survey that I have seen 28 deer during my week of hunting if I did not know any better that they were the same ones over and over again.

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

No other province in Canada has a higher percentage of moose hunters to actual moose. Its not even close either.

A third of Canada lives in Ontario. Its not as easy as saying "do what Quebec does". Literally no one else faces the challenges our game managers have to with moose

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100% this. 90000 ontarians applied to hunt last year. A system that allows everyone to go moose hunting is nonsense at this point.

I think if hunters decades ago self regulated the number of Moose they harvested then we would not be in this position.I remember 25 years ago the group I was invited to hunt with around the Dog Lake area north of Thunder Bay had dropped two or three Moose annually.One year
a single hunter dropped five bull Moose that walked into a clearing and he recorded the whole event on a hand held camera. Now they did have all the tags and it was completely legal,but did they really need to harvest five Moose for ten guys?

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Originally Posted by skull

I know exactly how it is
10 guys seen 1 moose, know there is 10 moose because 10 different people seen the same moose

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Originally Posted by impact

Exactly!
I have 4 deer living and seeking shelter in my backyard every day. Sometimes I see them all at once and other times one by one.
I can honestly say in a survey that I have seen 28 deer during my week of hunting if I did not know any better that they were the same ones over and over again.

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This has always been an issue with the hunter survey reporting system. Every hunter is required to report. How many reports come from hunters in the same crew who see the same Moose at different times? It's not rocket science to see where false data comes from when that factor is added in.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

This has always been an issue with the hunter survey reporting system. Every hunter is required to report. How many reports come from hunters in the same crew who see the same Moose at different times? It's not rocket science to see where false data comes from when that factor is added in.

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I can’t even list how many issue is with the moose management
The only person that needed to complete the report should have been the tag holder
No one else
And the proper way to do it is mandatory report over the phone within 24
the MNR calling the tag holder after the season closed, and get as much more information as they can
That would have solved all the confusion and get accurate information
That’s the way if you really wanna manage your wildlife
It’s all about common sense

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Originally Posted by outdoorlife

100% this. 90000 ontarians applied to hunt last year. A system that allows everyone to go moose hunting is nonsense at this point.

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Absolutely correct my friend
That’s where the PP should have been put in place from day one

I've always put zero credibility in hunter based responses to surveys for the very reason Skull mentions. Even the bios that I worked with basically ignored those contentious sections of hunter surveys.
So the question is, how do you get an accurate count of a moose population ? The answer is simple. You can't. The best you can do is watch for trends in numbers and sexes by flying the same stratified plots year to year and interpret any changes that might show up
And because a particular management system works in Quebec or Alberta or Sweden doesn't mean it will work here in Ontario unless all parameters are similar, that being hunter density, hunter access, logging practices, climate in particular.

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Originally Posted by sawbill

I've always put zero credibility in hunter based responses to surveys for the very reason Skull mentions. Even the bios that I worked with basically ignored those contentious sections of hunter surveys.
So the question is, how do you get an accurate count of a moose population ? The answer is simple. You can't. The best you can do is watch for trends in numbers and sexes by flying the same stratified plots year to year and interpret any changes that might show up
And because a particular management system works in Quebec or Alberta or Sweden doesn't mean it will work here in Ontario unless all parameters are similar, that being hunter density, hunter access, logging practices, climate in particular.

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Absolutely correct Sir
How the hell the MNR ever going to manage the moose population If the laws only apply to White people
Let’s start with only one law for everybody

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Originally Posted by skull

Absolutely correct Sir
How the hell the MNR ever going to manage the moose population If the laws only apply to White people
Let’s start with only one law for everybody

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Pretty misguided Skull, we had millions of Bison and Passenger pigeons in North America before the arrival of the White people and after, not so much.