Teachers Unions are at it again

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May 11th, 2021, 07:18 PM
Deer Hunter

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I used to get rained on pretty bad for saying this when I went to work in the private sector auto industry,but,if companies and corporations treated their employees with honor,fairness and dignity,there wouldn't be a need for unions.

I think that used to be true at one time, around here there’s enough work, if your not treated right you just move along, it don’t take long for the word to get out and its usually the moron that gets the boot. Unions were huge around here at one time, not so much anymore.
May 14th, 2021, 05:46 AM
Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Nice work if you can get it, Summer off and only work 5 hours a day.

I have to wonder greatwhite if you have ever had the opportunity to teach. Maybe 5 hours of class room time doesn't sound like much. But having done a bit supply teaching, and other corporate types of instruction. You have a number of unscheduled hours in which to setup you lesson plan, prepare teaching resources, and reviewing and revising the material you teach. A general rule of thumb is 2 to 3 hours of preparation time for each hour of actual class time. So if 5 hours of teaching time looks like small potatoes to you, add on the other 10 to 15 hours of preparation time. Teaching is not quite like extemporaneous preaching, done properly a lot of forethought and preparation has to go into it. Teachers just don't leave the classroom, drive home, have supper and after supper kick back and watch television. There are of course some which have time after classes to do a bit of preparation before actually leaving the school for home. If you walk pass a school after school hours. You might pause to wonder why the teacher's parking lot is still full of their cars. Could be the teachers are working on their next day's lessons? It can be that teacher who have been teaching a subject for years have less preparation time, but they still have to go over there material and make necessary revision, and line up any resources that may be need.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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May 14th, 2021, 06:03 AM
greatwhite

Two friends in NB that teach and met one person here who was doing construction and left to become a teacher.

LOL and yes all became teachers because of the Perks, they make great money summers off.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I have to wonder greatwhite if you have ever had the opportunity to teach. Maybe 5 hours of class room time doesn't sound like much. But having done a bit supply teaching, and other corporate types of instruction. You have a number of unscheduled hours in which to setup you lesson plan, prepare teaching resources, and reviewing and revising the material you teach. A general rule of thumb is 2 to 3 hours of preparation time for each hour of actual class time. So if 5 hours of teaching time looks like small potatoes to you, add on the other 10 to 15 hours of preparation time. Teaching is not quite like extemporaneous preaching, done properly a lot of forethought and preparation has to go into it. Teachers just don't leave the classroom, drive home, have supper and after supper kick back and watch television. There are of course some which have time after classes to do a bit of preparation before actually leaving the school for home. If you walk pass a school after school hours. You might pause to wonder why the teacher's parking lot is still full of their cars. Could be the teachers are working on their next day's lessons? It can be that teacher who have been teaching a subject for years have less preparation time, but they still have to go over there material and make necessary revision, and line up any resources that may be need.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
May 14th, 2021, 06:28 AM
fishermccann

GW . Simple question. No offence meant. Why would someone with 4 years of uni and a year of teachers college, work in construction to begin with? Unless they were some sort of engineer on the job. Prefer manual labour over mind work?
May 14th, 2021, 06:41 AM
greatwhite

He did construction first became a shop teacher later

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

GW . Simple question. No offence meant. Why would someone with 4 years of uni and a year of teachers college, work in construction to begin with? Unless they were some sort of engineer on the job. Prefer manual labour over mind work?
May 14th, 2021, 06:42 AM
MikePal

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

You have a number of unscheduled hours in which to setup you lesson plan, prepare teaching resources, and reviewing and revising the material you teach. A general rule of thumb is 2 to 3 hours of preparation time for each hour of actual class time.

Teachers covers a broad spectrum of grades and courses so you have to be honest and concede a lot of teachers have it pretty good with lots of down time or compensatory time off. ie: some high school teachers only have 2-3 classes a day teaching a course with a curriculum and lesson plans that haven't changed since I was a kid (English for example..kids still must read the same books I had to. )

College and Universities are the same...few classes with assistants doing the bulk of the work.

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May 14th, 2021, 06:46 AM
greatwhite

Fishermcan I should add how I met this guy, I had seen an add for some firewood for sale not far from my home, made a deal for it and when I met the guy we got talking.
It was easy to tell the guy knew construction and we talked about it for a while and then he mentioned he actually no longer did construction and had become a shop teacher.
For the reasons I said Great pay, summers, one of the best pensions in the world.
Turned out he was my sons shop teacher. I got 10 cords of firewood for 200 bucks.
May 14th, 2021, 06:47 AM
MikePal

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

GW . Simple question. No offence meant. Why would someone with 4 years of uni and a year of teachers college, work in construction to begin with?

Haven't been in the job market I see....those credentials 'might ' land you a night managers job at a fast food joint here in Ottawa. A city with two universities that pumps out 1000's of bright young kids with degrees in Anthropology, History, Woman's studies etc etc.

Guys who can get onto a job site will make twice a much money in jobs requiring brawn over brains.
May 14th, 2021, 06:59 AM
fishermccann

So teachers are not overpaid? Can they be, if you can make twice the money doing manual labour? That one extra year of teachers college ,separates those bugger flippers , from those with degrees, that are further trained for a specific job. Like a GP, MD spending 2 more years at med school , to become a surgeon. Extra years , extra compensation.
May 14th, 2021, 07:14 AM
Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

GW . Simple question. No offence meant. Why would someone with 4 years of uni and a year of teachers college, work in construction to begin with? Unless they were some sort of engineer on the job. Prefer manual labour over mind work?

Part of the problem maybe it takes quite a bit of time to work into a full time teaching contract, There are just so many schools and seemingly a surplus of those wanting to teach. In some boards it might take four or more years to get a permanent contract, until then your teaching opportunities are piece meal. In construction the pay and availability of work opportunities can provide you with a more adequate source of income.

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