Attachment 28690
For those interested in the long term result of shooting a cow versus a callf
Attachment 28690
For those interested in the long term result of shooting a cow versus a callf
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Originally Posted by x_xeon_x
Number 6 will only happen if FN are willing.
Everyone whether we like it or not have to realize that the recent Supreme Court Rulings have made it quite clear that the Native Sustainable Hunt is a non-negotiable right which the MNR has little to no control over. Furthermore the MNR’s Political Whips / Masters have surely made it quite clear to MNR Staff that they are not to openly discuss the matter in any public forum or consultation so as to not disrupt the two decade / ongoing land claims negotiations.
There is promise however as some areas are implementing some of their own management plans .
http://www.algonquinsofpikwakanagan....821%20copy.pdf
http://www.bafn.ca/harvesting.html
This doesn't take into consideration the predation level of the second calf or the adult cow. This extrapolation is dated 1979. Since then,predator population has grown exponentially making predation figures all the more relevent. Good research,just out dated.Quote:
Originally Posted by chameleon
I believe that's the data they used to justify the unrestricted calf harvest .Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
It actually does not need to take into consideration predation because it is related to hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
Let assume however that predation is as severe as you suggest by your statement that in all cases the second calf and the cow will always killed by predators.
If that were so then there would be “NO” moose.
Clearly not the case, if it was then we would not be having this discussion.
A well established fact however is adult bulls and cows are (less) unlikely to be killed by predators unless weaken by disease.
Making this even more relevant today if predation is as bad as you suggest.
What it really does emphasis however no matter what, is that reducing the Hunting related Cow Harvest is best way to go if the objective is to increase the population. I say even more so if the excessive predation is expected to continue.
However it is also known that a cow has a better chance of protecting one calf. Where as trying to protect two at the same time greatly increases the chance of both being kill during the predator attack.
The current draw system needs to be scrapped altogether.
A point system needs to be adopted. You're awarded one point for every year you're unsuccessful in the draw. A draw would still take place, but amongst the highest point holders first. That way everybody eventually gets a tag.
The draw should be either antlered or antlerless; no separate calf tags and no over the counter calf tags.
There should be only a nominal fee for entering the draw. You pay for the full licence if your application is successful.
No tag transfers- if you get an unwanted tag it goes back to the MNR and is awarded to the next person in line. Hunters who return unwanted tags retain their points.
An end to party hunting. Ontario may be the only jurisdiction in North America that allows it,and there's probably a reason for that.
I think that's the only way to make if fair for everybody.
I certainly agree that not issuing as many Cow tags would be prudent because it sure has worked for the Deer population which is undeniable,but,by using the above rationale,would it not then follow that if one of two calves was taken by a predator and the hunter takes the second,that there would be an exponential population drop?Quote:
Originally Posted by chameleon
I dont....Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe
'party hunting" should still be allowed
the rest I can live with
A limit to the 'party' size'? Locals that hunt near my camp (WMU42) have a party that is about 25 strong. They rarely get a tag and really play with the application system. They have strategically built tree stands (well over 40 that we have counted) and have hunting down to an academic process - if there are animals in the bush, they'll get them. Last fall they took 4 calves because they had no adult tags.Quote:
Originally Posted by 270 WBY
Other than that, it was hard to argue against with much else that 9.3mauser was suggesting. Well thought out post. Something has to change.
And therein lies the problem with revamping Ontario's moose hunt into a sustainable model.Quote:
Originally Posted by 270 WBY