Oh oh!! I guess I missed something throughout my hunting career. Where are you finding all these animals that want to be killed? I haven't seen any in my 60 years on earth!!Quote:
You are killing an animal that really doesn't want to be killed
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Oh oh!! I guess I missed something throughout my hunting career. Where are you finding all these animals that want to be killed? I haven't seen any in my 60 years on earth!!Quote:
You are killing an animal that really doesn't want to be killed
Point being it is in a wild animal's nature to struggle for it's life against it's restraints until it cannot do so any longer. Glad I gave you a chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by redd foxx
Out of context it seems like such a ridiculous statement.
On many of the farms I hunt on the first thing the farmer asks you is "did you shoot anything" next question is "did you see anything" and trust me they better match. Many farmers have the if its brown it goes down mentality
in the case of deer and turkey if I choose to pass I simply reply nothing in range.
#1 on most of the farms I hunt on is coyotes and once you bring a few of them in the questions seem to fade out
this year turkey hunting I've shot 2 coyotes one with a shotgun and the 2nd with my bow with a decap head right in the neck and it was a total gore show
Dan
So what did you do with them?
Jack:
You are dead right with many of your statements. There is major potential for animal welfare to suffer if the individual is not diligent in ensuring that their trapping activities are humane. There are close to 75,000 licenced trappers in the province. The certification course that is required by the province is a mere introductory 40 hr. session. You're taught the basics. Farmers aren't even required to take the course if they trap on the own land. Just like hunting, you're going to get both good and bad "participants". Unfortunately, you're going to get a portion of these groups who break the law, or simply do not rate the welfare of the animal as a high priority. There are regulations in place to ensure that things are done properly, but you're always going to get some idiot who disregards them.
Regarding the live-holding sets, if I came across evidence of someone not checking their sets, their would be an immediate call to enforcement, to get the person charged. This industry is under the public's hand lens. Any bad exposure can be devastating.
Regarding an animal ripping itself to shreds, I can honestly say I've never had this happen in all my years of trapping, but I am extremely attentive to ensuring that every one of my sets is humane, and that I'm using the correct equipment, it's been maintained properly, and I've set it in a manner that I have directional control of the animal's approach for a humane dispatch. I agree with what you've said - you do this poorly, and things can go badly for that captured animal. Regarding my support of other legally hunter's actions, I do not support anything that doesn't jive with my own personal set of ethics/values. I think everyone has their own set. It's a personal thing that you build throughout your life. Everyone has them, based on past personal experiences, and they may not be right or wrong for everyone. Now you've got me thinking, and here's a few for me. I don't agree with: shooting hen turkeys in the fall, shooting maternal WTD does that are accompanied by fawns, harvesting any of our sea duck species that are now globally threatened, any form of trophy hunting where the meat of the animal is not completely utilized, etc., etc. Actually, this could develop into an interesting tangent for this thread - what if everyone listed their top 5?
If the landowner had a beaver problem, and a legitimate livestock predation problem, then yes, I would offer to do both. If he was dumping deadstock, I'd get a conversation going about this too, so he understood that this was probably causing him all the problems. If he merely wanted me to pop any summer coyotes I saw on his property, then my reply would be no. The beaver removal would have to occur prior to the last week in April, or after August, so I'm not leaving a bunch of crying pups in the house. If they wanted them trapped during this period, I'd pass and let another trapper do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
So,if I understand correctly,it's your personal choice to allow another trapper to do what you find distasteful and you're OK with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenelon
He writes in a way that sounds like a research paper, and a legal brief.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I guess he also has too many farms to hunt/trap on. Because after he till the farmer to get another person to help them with the problem I am sure the farmer is not going to kick that other guy off so fen can trap/hunt there.
Fenelon around here most farmers dump there dead livestock because as you said it now costs. I cannot remember the actual cost but 200 or 300 rings a bell for the first and 50 bucks I think for each additional. Which is why they rarly bother unless something catastrophic happens and they lose a large number. Some of the farmers have back hoes so the bury their but those that don't just take out to the other edge of the field. Many do not want the additional costs. That said they allow hunters to use their land with the understanding that all yotes will be shot which in turn is cheaper for the farmer. Your not going to convince any farmer around here especially since we have no shortage of yotes.
However I do understand your position, but I think you also have to understand the farmers position as well.
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Originally Posted by Fenelon
Yes, exactly- they can find someone else to do the job. It's totally legal for a licenced trapper to do the removal, but it comes down to personal ethics as to whether or not you're OK with what you're doing. I don't need the money that badly. They can call back to MNR and get another name off the list, and it's up to that individual to make the judgement call. Perhaps the next trapper really wants the money, and doesn't morally have a problem with leaving the young to die in the house. I get calls too from landowners who've had refusals from other trappers eg. people losing their pet cats to fisher and they want the fisher live-trapped instead of lethal trapped, people wanting the cats trapped out of their barn, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21