Best place in Ontario where a young family can live and enjoy the outdoors

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

From your posts it's clear you have a warped sense of values?

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Materialism will do that to people BM, warps their perception of what life is truly meant to be.

I never bought my 'home' with the thought of it being an investment, farthest thing from the decision process. It was a nice place to raise my family away from 'the mall' that influences so many young people. I don't plan to ever sell it so it's value is of no real concern to me and my kids will hopefully be in their 60's by the time it is handed to them.

I could never see any quality of life coming from living in a city, I choose to live a simpler life that provided me with Freedom 55 and a place to retire too that doesn't have a view of my neighbours back yard :)

I grew up in a tiny town (20 minutes drive to "the store" which was a gas station) and looking back almost nobody there appreciated the outdoors or took advantage of it. It was a lot of dope growers, drugs starting usually around age 13, drinking, drinking and driving, hippies that thought they were spiritual but really weren't in my opinion, not much variety of anything, and almost no work. The older generations did zero to try build businesses to employ the youth of ththe future or at least to try set things up for future generations, they only cared about their retirement cheques. The younger people either stay and lived at home getting deeper into addictions, supporting them by working at the mill 8 months a year or some kind of trade, sometimes dying young too OR they leave and go the city starting over from scratch.

I live in scarborough which in my opinion might be the bum hole of Canada. But in a funny way, I met a friend thru work who got me into hunting and I recently completed my hunting and firearms course and am reading about bush stuff daily trying to learn. That's something I don't think would have happened if I still lived in the country. Also, the variety of people's, cultures, food etc. has made me learn a lot and helped me grow a lot as a person, which doesn't happen to a lot (not all, but a lot) of country people who think they know everything and cling to that delusional idea repeating it every chance they get. I don't know everything either but I grew a lot more as a human being in the city than in the country, that's for sure.
In short, I learned more about hunting and nature in scarborough than I ever did in my small hometown, and I learned a lot more about life too. That's something to consider when it comes to raising children, not just real estate prices and saving a few bucks in gas getting to work and back (in my opinion).

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Originally Posted by fishfood

So you understand that the house does not make up an inheritance. [emoji106]that's all I was getting at.

We will all have some debt but we can also choose what is more important.

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I,am not to sure my kids will agree with that statement and just leave this million dollar place go to rack and ruin.LOL

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

From your posts it's clear you have a warped sense of values? Is this lifestyle of your son making you a proud dad? He's still living off the hind teet of his mommy n daddy? Are you and your wife still doing his laundry? Oh wait, you're a liberal! Living off of other peoples efforts is what you prescribe to as a philosophy of life. Pathetic....

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I,am not happy about his buying that truck just mentioned it in relation to the price a person might pay for a country place.His lifestyle does not make me a proud dad at all,far from it,but he made a choice and will have to live with it and pay this truck off.Yes my wife and are are still doing his laundry and making his food and so forth.He does not pay rent either.I don,t know what living off others peoples efforts means in relation to this discussion.He has a full time job with full benefits and goes to work every day and pays his taxes,is there something wrong with that?

It you don,t have the means or have the means and chose not to do the same that is entirely your option. But you seem to come across on all your posts as being angry, why is that Bushmoose?

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Materialism will do that to people BM, warps their perception of what life is truly meant to be.

I never bought my 'home' with the thought of it being an investment, farthest thing from the decision process. It was a nice place to raise my family away from 'the mall' that influences so many young people. I don't plan to ever sell it so it's value is of no real concern to me and my kids will hopefully be in their 60's by the time it is handed to them.

I could never see any quality of life coming from living in a city, I choose to live a simpler life that provided me with Freedom 55 and a place to retire too that doesn't have a view of my neighbours back yard :)

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Geez I must be lucky, I retired at 48, view my house as a great investment,its increased in value by a factor of 10x over the last 30 years.If I don,t want to look into my neighbors garden I jump in my truck,drive 2 1/2 hours and stay on my 200 acre lot on a semi private lake. My kids can also do the same and enjoy the contrast afforded by both places.Maybe some of you guys are introverts and the country is the best place for you.BTW I managed to pull this off with one wage coming in and coming down with cancer at 48.

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Originally Posted by Bearpaw

I grew up in a tiny town (20 minutes drive to "the store" which was a gas station) and looking back almost nobody there appreciated the outdoors or took advantage of it. It was a lot of dope growers, drugs starting usually around age 13, drinking, drinking and driving, hippies that thought they were spiritual but really weren't in my opinion, not much variety of anything, and almost no work. The older generations did zero to try build businesses to employ the youth of ththe future or at least to try set things up for future generations, they only cared about their retirement cheques. The younger people either stay and lived at home getting deeper into addictions, supporting them by working at the mill 8 months a year or some kind of trade, sometimes dying young too OR they leave and go the city starting over from scratch.

Q. This sounds very like the hamlet my cabin is located close to especially the dope growers and hippies.Fortunately a lot of the families I know are real hard working and ran their own businesses,s and resorts.But its so true that jobs here are pretty scarce and in this hamlet as has been stated before half are on welfare with the attendant drug/alcohol problems.

I live in scarborough which in my opinion might be the bum hole of Canada. But in a funny way, I met a friend thru work who got me into hunting and I recently completed my hunting and firearms course and am reading about bush stuff daily trying to learn. That's something I don't think would have happened if I still lived in the country. Also, the variety of people's, cultures, food etc. has made me learn a lot and helped me grow a lot as a person, which doesn't happen to a lot (not all, but a lot) of country people who think they know everything and cling to that delusional idea repeating it every chance they get. I don't know everything either but I grew a lot more as a human being in the city than in the country, that's for sure.
In short, I learned more about hunting and nature in scarborough than I ever did in my small hometown, and I learned a lot more about life too. That's something to consider when it comes to raising children, not just real estate prices and saving a few bucks in gas getting to work and back (in my opinion).

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R.I basically lived in Regent Park for the first 15 years of my career working there,I claim this place as the bum hole of Canada.LOL Your right about the country folk up this way I don,t think I have every seen anybody WALK except from their pick up trucks to get out and buy their cigarettes and lotto tickets.Some of them have figured out its cheaper to drive an hour to the Indian Reserve,buy contraband cig,s,waste $30.00 in gas and they are still ahead.I haven't figured out the math on that one. So yeh they are in pretty bad shape physically and you wont see many of them competing in marathons with their quiche eating Liberals in the City.LOL

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Originally Posted by Bearpaw

I grew up in a tiny town (20 minutes drive to "the store" which was a gas station) and looking back almost nobody there appreciated the outdoors or took advantage of it. It was a lot of dope growers, drugs starting usually around age 13, drinking, drinking and driving, hippies that thought they were spiritual but really weren't in my opinion, not much variety of anything, and almost no work. The older generations did zero to try build businesses to employ the youth of ththe future or at least to try set things up for future generations, they only cared about their retirement cheques. The younger people either stay and lived at home getting deeper into addictions, supporting them by working at the mill 8 months a year or some kind of trade, sometimes dying young too OR they leave and go the city starting over from scratch.

I live in scarborough which in my opinion might be the bum hole of Canada. But in a funny way, I met a friend thru work who got me into hunting and I recently completed my hunting and firearms course and am reading about bush stuff daily trying to learn. That's something I don't think would have happened if I still lived in the country. Also, the variety of people's, cultures, food etc. has made me learn a lot and helped me grow a lot as a person, which doesn't happen to a lot (not all, but a lot) of country people who think they know everything and cling to that delusional idea repeating it every chance they get. I don't know everything either but I grew a lot more as a human being in the city than in the country, that's for sure.
In short, I learned more about hunting and nature in scarborough than I ever did in my small hometown, and I learned a lot more about life too. That's something to consider when it comes to raising children, not just real estate prices and saving a few bucks in gas getting to work and back (in my opinion).

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Can't blame the country or the northern people about the drugs.
I have lived in york region all my life there is more drugs than one could ever imagine. Go to any high school there is anything you could ever imagine want some mdma or some coke? What about the lsd or some meth The halls reak of burnt weed as you pass buy a group of kids. Yes kids.

As for the kids hiding in their home growing their addiction ,that is the parents responsibility to get a handle on things.

Trust me there is far more and a lot more drugs in the city. But you must be blind
Do you have kids in high school? Talk to them they will tell what people are on.

Yes my oldest daughter tried weed at the age of 15 she didn't like it she does not do drugs nor is she a smoker . Talk to your kids to many parents let their kids do what they want when they want and never ask any questions. To many parents say My kids are so perfect they wouldn't do anything like that ya right think again.

My kids know we are always watching . I'll drive to town at 2am for a coffee and they know that. They need there space yes but as a parent we are the ones responsible for there actions.

Could also be the parents that promotes the drug scene. Trust me I know and My kids don't hang out with those kids. To each their own.






Why do think the students kicked the cops out of the schools ? . They are slowing down the drug activity witch the kids don't like. What's wrong with a cop walking the halls nothing but far to many students have something to hide and feel threatened by them being there.

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"Why do think the students kicked the cops out of the schools ? . They are slowing down the drug activity witch the kids don't like. What's wrong with a cop walking the halls nothing but far to many students have something to hide and feel threatened by them being there."

That is not exactly how things went down, the vast majority of the kids surveyed supported the officers in the schools.The Toronto School board were the ones who decided to end the programme because a visible minority felt uncomfortable.So now the board will have to take their chances without the officers being there,God help the Board members if they get a shooting in the near future.In relation to drugs its a two edged sword, some kids start marijuana as a pain reliever from a work place injury, I have one of those.Other kids it helps in school, got one of those also with a University Degree in two subject,s and on the Deans Honour List. As a retired officer I am not in favor of it personally but I can tell you I was never attacked by a suspect high on grass.Now alcohol been attacked by lots of abusers,today they came out with alcohol being classified as a class one carcinogen,about time,maybe waken some people up.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

"Why do think the students kicked the cops out of the schools ? . They are slowing down the drug activity witch the kids don't like. What's wrong with a cop walking the halls nothing but far to many students have something to hide and feel threatened by them being there."

That is not exactly how things went down, the vast majority of the kids surveyed supported the officers in the schools.The Toronto School board were the ones who decided to end the programme because a visible minority felt uncomfortable.So now the board will have to take their chances without the officers being there,God help the Board members if they get a shooting in the near future.In relation to drugs its a two edged sword, some kids start marijuana as a pain reliever from a work place injury, I have one of those.Other kids it helps in school, got one of those also with a University Degree in two subject,s and on the Deans Honour List. As a retired officer I am not in favor of it personally but I can tell you I was never attacked by a suspect high on grass.Now alcohol been attacked by lots of abusers,today they came out with alcohol being classified as a class one carcinogen,about time,maybe waken some people up.

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Yea I forgot about the (blm) problem. But you know as do I the majority of the students who knows something will not tell you.
I am not a judge nor do I judge anyone for any of the problems people have. There is usually some under line problem that put them there.
Alcohol is it's own problem I am not a drinker but can be . I only buy beer when I want beer batter fish . I'm sure every cop will agree with the green vs alcohol thing. I almost got beat up in grocery store by a lady when I said I could care less if the lcbo went on strike. There is good and bad in all race and color even if they are bad you can't judge them there is probably a good reason they are the way they are.



Back to the original topic of things . If I we're to move up north to where my mom lives. It would not screw my children like I said they grow up get their license and find a job just like everyone. In 3 directions from my mom's within the hr is anything you can think of the grocery store open 24 7 days a week just 2o minutes away. The 4th detection will put u on lake abitibi . There are drillers , loggers and miners all around. People still have electricity and homes need to be renovated street's still need to be plowed and fixed. Yes the garbage pick up is not fixed to the town . If you want to pick up garbage put a bid in for it. Cars need to fixed parks need to be cleaned lawns cut and ECT the list can go on and with job opportunities if your willing to work. Did I say lots of truckers and logging trucks around every where. Cops, ems ,firefighters, mnr position was posted when they first moved there. Did I forget to stop the list oh yea because it goes on and on.
That few dollars you could loose at city prices is non sence . .

And to answer your question to the switch I did was awesome I have 80 percent benifits,and have had multiple raises since I started I am still saving money at the place I am now. Yet I don't drive to the city and stay far away as I can lol. I spend more time with the family and that I think just as important.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I,am not happy about his buying that truck just mentioned it in relation to the price a person might pay for a country place.His lifestyle does not make me a proud dad at all,far from it,but he made a choice and will have to live with it and pay this truck off.Yes my wife and are are still doing his laundry and making his food and so forth.He does not pay rent either.I don,t know what living off others peoples efforts means in relation to this discussion.He has a full time job with full benefits and goes to work every day and pays his taxes,is there something wrong with that?

It you don,t have the means or have the means and chose not to do the same that is entirely your option. But you seem to come across on all your posts as being angry, why is that Bushmoose?

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Your kid lives at home, works full time, has a truck worth $80K, you charge him no rent and do his laundry.

You're not doing him any favours.