Used 4X4 trucks up in price

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

My utility is only a little bigger( 8 X 10 ) and single axle as well. They say the requirement for the sticker is based on what you're truck "can" tow not on what your are currently pulling. Campers and boat trailers are exempt. The safety is for the truck not the trailer. Don't know if you where thinking I mean the trailer.

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If the MGVWR of your truck and trailer when added up exceed 4500KG's then you need a sticker on both truck and trailer. Read the manufacturers sticker on truck and trailer to determine.
It's based on three things:
1. Actual weight (if both truck and trailer weigh more than 4500 kg's you need stickers)
2. Registered gross weight (if over 4500 kg's you need stickers and this would be indicated on ownership of power unit, it's what you pay for when getting val tag)
3. MGVWR (if manufacturer stickers of BOTH truck and trailer when added together exceed 4500 kg's you need stickers on both)

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

If the MGVWR of your truck and trailer when added up exceed 4500KG's then you need a sticker on both truck and trailer. Read the manufacturers sticker on truck and trailer to determine.
It's based on three things:
1. Actual weight (if both truck and trailer weigh more than 4500 kg's you need stickers)
2. Registered gross weight (if over 4500 kg's you need stickers and this would be indicated on ownership of power unit, it's what you pay for when getting val tag)
3. MGVWR (if manufacturer stickers of BOTH truck and trailer when added together exceed 4500 kg's you need stickers on both)

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so to get that straight; a 1500 with the typical 4x8 utility trailer wouldn't need one, but say a 4-Runner with a 6x12 u-haul would? please can anyone share the official reference where it reads that boat trailers are exempt

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Originally Posted by Waftrudnir

so to get that straight; a 1500 with the typical 4x8 utility trailer wouldn't need one, but say a 4-Runner with a 6x12 u-haul would? please can anyone share the official reference where it reads that boat trailers are exempt

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Correct on the 1500 with 4x8.
A 4 Runner is not a CMV (like an RV), so no stickers required when hauling a U Haul. Boat trailers are not exempt however a blind eye may be turned for many.
It's in the Act but I'm too lazy to look it up.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

If the MGVWR of your truck and trailer when added up exceed 4500KG's then you need a sticker on both truck and trailer. Read the manufacturers sticker on truck and trailer to determine.
It's based on three things:
1. Actual weight (if both truck and trailer weigh more than 4500 kg's you need stickers)
2. Registered gross weight (if over 4500 kg's you need stickers and this would be indicated on ownership of power unit, it's what you pay for when getting val tag)
3. MGVWR (if manufacturer stickers of BOTH truck and trailer when added together exceed 4500 kg's you need stickers on both)

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Lightest GVWR I can find for a 2010 F150 is 6450lbs... So if your trailer is rated at 3450 or more you would have to have stickers for both right? My single axle trailer is rated at 3500lbs, so it would put "any" half ton pickup over the limit if it's curb weight is 6400lbs or more. We can pull the 3500lbs rated trailer with the 4runner( sport utility) or the tacoma( below the 6400lbs limit ). It does not take a very big trailer to put the combo over the 9900lbs/4500kg limit.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Lightest GVWR I can find for a 2010 F150 is 6450lbs... So if your trailer is rated at 3450 or more you would have to have stickers for both right? My single axle trailer is rated at 3500lbs, so it would put "any" half ton pickup over the limit if it's curb weight is 6400lbs or more. We can pull the 3500lbs rated trailer with the 4runner( sport utility) or the tacoma( below the 6400lbs limit ). It does not take a very big trailer to put the combo over the 9900lbs/4500kg limit.

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Everything is in Kilograms. You're talking pounds.

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Correct on the 1500 with 4x8.
A 4 Runner is not a CMV (like an RV), so no stickers required when hauling a U Haul. Boat trailers are not exempt however a blind eye may be turned for many.
It's in the Act but I'm too lazy to look it up.

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that means the guy hauling a good size empty trailer with a F150 gets the fine, while the one with an fully loaded Excursion and same trailer wouldn't even get stopped.
just determining if I will get a truck again...

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Originally Posted by Waftrudnir

that means the guy hauling a good size empty trailer with a F150 gets the fine, while the one with an fully loaded Excursion and same trailer wouldn't even get stopped.
just determining if I will get a truck again...

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Correct since the Excursion doesn't fall under the definition of CMV (permanent delivery body attached, blah blah).

Now, I will say there have been matters of differences in opinions on this between officers however, if you get charged while hauling with an SUV I'd fight it because as per definition safeties only relate to CMV's, and an SUV isn't a CMV. It could be though, if all the rear seats were ripped out and it was commercially plated, but...

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Everything is in Kilograms. You're talking pounds.

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OK in kg's
Truck 2931.81....Kg
Trailer 1568.18.....Kg
Total 4502.99kg
My trailer is 1590.90Kg so with your truck if it was the Lightest 4 X 2 standard cab 4.6L motor model at 2931 KG the total weight is 4521Kg. I don't think you have to smallest Lightest F-150 version.

What is the GVWR for your truck, and what is your trailer rated at?

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Originally Posted by last5oh_302

Correct since the Excursion doesn't fall under the definition of CMV (permanent delivery body attached, blah blah).

Now, I will say there have been matters of differences in opinions on this between officers however, if you get charged while hauling with an SUV I'd fight it because as per definition safeties only relate to CMV's, and an SUV isn't a CMV. It could be though, if all the rear seats were ripped out and it was commercially plated, but...

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This exemption for the SUV causes a few Scarey things...Rag top jeep YJ with V6 pulling trailers that weight equal to or very close too the jeep it's self needs no stickers. The same trailer behind a F-150/1500 half ton truck( which is made for the weight ) has have both truck and trailer stickered.

I would feel safer about the pickup then I would about the jeep.

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Originally Posted by Snowwalker

OK in kg's
Truck 2931.81....Kg
Trailer 1568.18.....Kg
Total 4502.99kg
My trailer is 1590.90Kg so with your truck if it was the Lightest 4 X 2 standard cab 4.6L motor model at 2931 KG the total weight is 4521Kg. I don't think you have to smallest Lightest F-150 version.

What is the GVWR for your truck, and what is your trailer rated at?

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My truck is 3175 kg's (which is definitely higher than my previous F150 which was a similar configuration) and the trailer is around 1200-1300 kg's, so it's close.