Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

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Originally Posted by Dythbringer

People get promoted all the time who don't know what the hell they are doing. That isn't an argument you should use to try to defend the appearance of how little you understand the law.

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I was never promoted, to much of a sh-- disturber.But I think after locking up bad guys for 36 years I might know a little about the law.

What I also think is that you might not know how little police officers are trained in this aspect of the law and firearms generally.

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Originally Posted by welsh

All the usual registry arguments get trotted out, on schedule. It's not clear why we would be debating the registry, as it's a dead issue. The feds are not going to reinstate it and other than Quebec, no province has so much as hinted that they would create a provincial registry.


On registries in general, what's never mentioned in these threads is that registries have one obvious and indisputable benefit: in conjunction with licensing, they provide a strong control over transfers into the black market. That is, if I can only sell to a licensed person and if each sale has to be registered, then it becomes very risky for me to sell to unlicensed people. On the other hand, in the absence of a registry, I can sell to anyone with no fear that the sale will be traced back to me.


As I said earlier, the risk is less that law-abiding gun owners will sell to criminals than that people can obtain licences for the purpose of straw buying. The handgun registry has closed this door, and this is why gangs have had to turn to smuggling.


The thing about the long gun registry is, at the time of its creation there was no reasonable argument that this control over black market transfers was necessary for long guns. There was no real reason to think that transfers of long guns into the black market presented a significant concern. The irony of it is, though, that since the expiry of the Clinton AWB, the long gun market has changed significantly, and that argument can now be made ... which leaves a future government determined to register semi-autos, but faced with the reality that the LGR is a dead duck, with one obvious alternative: restrict them.

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Very good post and compliments my OP where we now see the evolution continue, legit license holders buying for bad guys.......

I definitely do not think Ralph Goodale or Justin Trudeau would even think about the long gun registry being re instated, politically way to costly. What might happen in the future is that Cities affected by criminal gun violence might start looking at ordinances
which probably would have been a better way to go in the past.

Gilroy - you are missing a very important point - what is more important - a cop's safety or the freedom and liberty of the citizens - if a cop can only do his job by taking away freedom then I suggest he get a different job -

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Gilroy - you are missing a very important point - what is more important - a cop's safety or the freedom and liberty of the citizens - if a cop can only do his job by taking away freedom then I suggest he get a different job -

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Well Joe some would argue that the COPS in America are not doing their jobs, so the citizens have armed themselves to the teeth.
Where are the Americans freedoms when they feel compelled to have carry concealed , when there is a gun for almost every citizen. That my friend is not freedom its the opposite.You poor people down there have been so brainwashed by your Government you don,t know which way is up. If the Police were able to protect you there would be no need to stand your ground or Castle laws.

When you have thousands of people murdered in your country every years and tens of thousands killed by firearms you got no freedom.

Actually Joe I will gladly give up a level of freedom if it increased cop safety but there are better ways of doing that than an ineffective registry eating up scarce funds. Having to carry a firearm for protection isn't my idea of liberty at all.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Very good post and compliments my OP where we now see the evolution continue, legit license holders buying for bad guys.......

I definitely do not think Ralph Goodale or Justin Trudeau would even think about the long gun registry being re instated, politically way to costly. What might happen in the future is that Cities affected by criminal gun violence might start looking at ordinances
which probably would have been a better way to go in the past.

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City ordinances should never be regarded as a "band-aid" solution to curb hand gun violence. Both Chicago and Baltimore have hand gun bans in place and they're the murder capitols of America. Anyone contemplating using municipal by-laws to control guns need look no further than those two cities as a glaring example of stupidity at work.

Well Welsh, while I could be wrong, it was you that first brought "trotted out " the registry in responce to Dyth as an example of weakened GC. Should be careful with the "as usual". Which is neither here nor there but is cause and effect. You can't blame people when you opened pandora Box. :)

Did the registry curtail the black market? Good question.
Seems to me, gangs had no trouble acquiring firearms.
before (biker wars)
during (Malvern Scarborough gangs of the 90s/2000s) or RP as I'm sure Gilroy can attest. As he said, it did nothing to keep him any safer in Regent Park where they have no trouble getting guns. There are lots of them. As common as cell phones. Despite all the controls over hand guns...

after (today's blood washed streets)

but it I guess all that might really be needed to call that unproven (?) hypothesis into question is

handguns are still registered, today and..........
some are making all kinds of noise about the number of handguns being used in crime.
so much for that school of thought, because the simple logical fact of the matter is.
Its not having much effect stopping the flow.
Is it?

I mean seriously. We have Tory and others including the RCMP ringing alarm bells. Then want to claim that a registry works?
lol.

/PS
hope the smiley is noticed.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

City ordinances should never be regarded as a "band-aid" solution to curb hand gun violence. Both Chicago and Baltimore have hand gun bans in place and they're the murder capitols of America. Anyone contemplating using municipal by-laws to control guns need look no further than those two cities as a glaring example of stupidity at work.

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My idea was that ordinances would have been a better approach than the long gun registry because the gun violence has really been a city problem.The registry just upset a whole lot of rural Canadians.I think the COPS in Toronto and PWE guys are doing a pretty good job of getting guns off the street but it clearly is not enough.I have no problem with gang bangers wiping themselves out its the collateral damage that is the biggest problem.

What they are really calling for is confiscation.

Exactly!!

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Originally Posted by terrym

What they are really calling for is confiscation.

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