12ga3” OO buck test group

I one area we hunt you are pretty much shooting shooting through brush, there is probably a bigger chance in wounding a deer than using buckshot. I don't think any of the guy's in that area have shot there deer over 30 yards, last I took one there it was 20 yards.

And yes Bow hunting is a fair comparison or are you trying to say that very few deer are wounded by bow hunters if so I would call that complete BS. It all comes down to know what distance your game is at. I know exactly what 30 yards looks like as my lane way is 30 yards and my property is 100 yards (300) feet.

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Originally Posted by kk1

I did watch the video. The guy even says it was luck and didnt hit where it was aiming. He never moved the camera to follow the animal after the shot. So how long did it take to die?? If you believe him he says it ran 150yrds. Let me tell you that is a very long way in a thick swamp and would be a very difficult recovery in thick brush without a paas thru. I disagree on using deer as experiments. You cou have dropped that deer on the spot with a well placed slug. So now guys here its good to 55yrds. Many dont have range finders and cant judge distances. 55 will actually be 65 or 75. Thats just gonna equal more wounded unrecovered deer. Shoot slugs! Jmo
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Originally Posted by kk1

I did watch the video. The guy even says it was luck and didnt hit where it was aiming. He never moved the camera to follow the animal after the shot. So how long did it take to die?? If you believe him he says it ran 150yrds. Let me tell you that is a very long way in a thick swamp and would be a very difficult recovery in thick brush without a paas thru. I disagree on using deer as experiments. You cou have dropped that deer on the spot with a well placed slug. So now guys here its good to 55yrds. Many dont have range finders and cant judge distances. 55 will actually be 65 or 75. Thats just gonna equal more wounded unrecovered deer. Shoot slugs! Jmo
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The number of deer shot with 270s and 3006 in the heart/lungs that I have tracked for 100+ yards, a bang flop is not the norm but I am sure you know that.

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Originally Posted by kk1

I did watch the video. The guy even says it was luck and didnt hit where it was aiming. He never moved the camera to follow the animal after the shot. So how long did it take to die?? If you believe him he says it ran 150yrds. Let me tell you that is a very long way in a thick swamp and would be a very difficult recovery in thick brush without a paas thru. I disagree on using deer as experiments. You cou have dropped that deer on the spot with a well placed slug. So now guys here its good to 55yrds. Many dont have range finders and cant judge distances. 55 will actually be 65 or 75. Thats just gonna equal more wounded unrecovered deer. Shoot slugs! Jmo
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Hunters will always debate the pros and cons of buckshot vs slugs----For me the most telling thing was watching a hunter shoot at a target from 40 then 60 yards using buckshot. No two patterns where ever the same - some shots would have resulted in a kill and a number would not have. Where as using a slug from the same distance the result was the same each and every time. That consistency to me at any rate is the most important thing when counting on a clean ethical kill. Just my two cents---Regardless if you shot buckshot or slugs-best of luck to everyone this week.

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Originally Posted by stilchen67

For me the most telling thing was watching a hunter shoot at a target from 40 then 60 yards using buckshot. No two patterns where ever the same - some shots would have resulted in a kill and a number would not have.

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A hunter that is shooting Buck Shot at deer at 40-60 yds is a hunter that hasn't patterned his shotgun. He's becomes fodder for the argument that a lot of hunters don't know their ammunition limitations.

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Originally Posted by Fox

The number of deer shot with 270s and 3006 in the heart/lungs that I have tracked for 100+ yards, a bang flop is not the norm but I am sure you know that.

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Were talking 12 guages. High shoulder shot will anchor em everytime with slugs.

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Originally Posted by stilchen67

Hunters will always debate the pros and cons of buckshot vs slugs----For me the most telling thing was watching a hunter shoot at a target from 40 then 60 yards using buckshot. No two patterns where ever the same - some shots would have resulted in a kill and a number would not have. Where as using a slug from the same distance the result was the same each and every time. That consistency to me at any rate is the most important thing when counting on a clean ethical kill. Just my two cents---Regardless if you shot buckshot or slugs-best of luck to everyone this week.

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Thats why i dont agree with it. Its never the same. Why take that chance? As hunters we owe to the game we hunt to make it as clean and ethical as possible.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I one area we hunt you are pretty much shooting shooting through brush, there is probably a bigger chance in wounding a deer than using buckshot. I don't think any of the guy's in that area have shot there deer over 30 yards, last I took one there it was 20 yards.

And yes Bow hunting is a fair comparison or are you trying to say that very few deer are wounded by bow hunters if so I would call that complete BS. It all comes down to know what distance your game is at. I know exactly what 30 yards looks like as my lane way is 30 yards and my property is 100 yards (300) feet.

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From a safety standpoint you should always know what your shooting at whats behind it and in front of it. I hope your at least shooting downward from a stand. Today bows are very fast and accurate. We have not lost a deer with the bows in almost 10yrs. If you practice and know how to track its not an issue. An arrow is a single projectile that goes where you aim NOT a spray of pellets you cant control. So you cant really compare the 2. Jmho

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Originally Posted by kk1

High shoulder shot will anchor em everytime with slugs.

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As hunters we owe to the game we hunt to make it as clean and ethical as possible.

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Well there's a contradiction...purposely wounding an animal isn't a 'quick clean' kill and in some circles considered unethical....

So your saying every single deer in North America shot that way dropped dead in it's tracks, BS and you know that. As Fox has also stated I have tracked deer to with perfect shot placement that still managed to go quite always.

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Originally Posted by kk1

Were talking 12 guages. High shoulder shot will anchor em everytime with slugs.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

So your saying every single deer in North America shot that way dropped dead in it's tracks, BS and you know that. As Fox has also stated I have tracked deer to with perfect shot placement that still managed to go quite always.

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A high shoulder shot anchors them everytime with a slug! When you hit the front shoulder they dont stand a chance on a broadside shot! A deer shot BEHIND the shoulder will run somewhat! But is dead in less than 15 seconds if double lunged. Both are lethal shots but the animal will be dead in its tracks when shot in the upper shoulder. Im referring to a rifled barrel with a scope. Fox was talking rifles. There can be bullet expansion issues at times depending on bullet type which may let the animal get out on you a ways.