Permission for Deer Retrieval

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Originally Posted by JoePa

Well - I'll tell you something - down here a guy like that would be dealt with in such a matter that he would soon realize that country living wasn't suited for him and he would move back to the city - we don't put up with that kind of crap -

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It happens like that up here,too,Joe. It just seems to take a lot more to get the average Canadian fed up enough to take the bull by the horns and mete out some backwoods justice. He certainly wouldn't be the first and for damn sure won't be the last citiot to leave with their tails between their legs,either. I could tell you cases that would do The Black Donnelly's proud. Oops,forgot that you're south of the border. Google The Black Donnelly's of Lucan,Ontario. Our history certainly isn't squeeky clean,either.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

The OP asked about getting permission BEFORE the season started. Just in case sort of thing? Having phone numbers in your phone and then calling AFTER the shot, might leave you sitting and waiting for that permission for a long time if you can't get in touch with them.

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The OP had a great idea and that is the right way to do it. I am talking neighbors miles away, since my farm and the neighbors on either side , where I have permission, makes it miles of tracking. Better safe than sorry. And if I get stuck I will call MNR/OPP and explain my situation. Then go get my deer.

If I am denied permission to retrieve my deer, I'll get back in the stand and make a better shot on the next one.

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Originally Posted by 400bigbear

Actually not any issues with hunters or trespassers just this clown harassing folks even when they icefish legally and even are camping on the lake and having a fire to heat and eat . There is crown there too . Replacing an existing deck is also allowed but oh no this guy calls building enforcement . He's a vindictive weasel just out there to cause grief . He thinks everything , including fish and wildlife is for him and his camp . I could go on and on about this clown .

TD

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That's a shame. Terrible how one person with twisted ideals can make life so miserable for so many others.

While I agree that the landowner will not be held responsible for any wildlife that dies and "goes to waste" on his land, there is a subtle difference between that and ENSURING that it goes to waste by trying to prevent its retrieval. That is what our CO was alluding to...and why he wants to be called.
In our area there are also people growing other crops besides venison....who do not want anyone poking around, especially LEOs.
Often the CO is just looking for a valid reason to enter a certain section of land thinking that there may be other illegal activities, the knowledge of which they can share with OPP in return for "future favors".

Ahhh yes . The Black Donnelly's . Country justice at its finest. That brought back memories.

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Originally Posted by Angus

The OP had a great idea and that is the right way to do it.

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Exactly! And that what this whole thread started out as. But it's gone from that to Perry Mason in a few short winks. Chest puffing, arguing, phony internet bravado, and ridiculous legal advice. The question was simply, should a person get permission prior to their hunt. The obvious answer is YES? Nothing more, nothing less? To not get it PRIOR to the hunt is foolish and those that don't get it PRIOR to their hunt are fools? Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Bushmoose

Exactly! And that what this whole thread started out as. But it's gone from that to Perry Mason in a few short winks. Chest puffing, arguing, phony internet bravado, and ridiculous legal advice. The question was simply, should a person get permission prior to their hunt. The obvious answer is YES? Nothing more, nothing less? To not get it PRIOR to the hunt is foolish and those that don't get it PRIOR to their hunt are fools? Nothing more, nothing less.

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Unexpected things happen in the bush. Having a little background of how others have dealt with the legal implications of those happenings makes us all better prepared. Even those members of the board who have gone awry of the law, and maybe especially them, have something to teach or share with us. Sometimes in a thread like this it is not the destination or the journey to the end of the thread, it's the people you meet along the way. May sound like more BS to you but that's how I view threads like this.

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Originally Posted by mark270wsm

also if a hunter shoots a deer and askes landowner to get deer and the owner says no and the owner gets deer they do not need a licence to posses a shot deer just a simple call to the mnr office to talk to a co and the deer is theirs

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Mark,

I believe you might be wrong here.LOL The landowner would need to cover himself for any possession of deer meat,especially in this circumstance where a aggrieved hunter would drop a dime on him and claim he was in possession of a deer either being tagged which the landowner COULD NOT DO or alternately have a permit to possess.

So I agree a phone call is needed and the CO then could decide to issue a permit OR if the CO decides he/she could seize the deer and have it otherwise disposed of.

I believe the issuance of a permit is at the discretion of the CO.

Deerslayer,

Your circumstance of being charged was rather unfortunate and althought it sounds pretty anal,the previous advice from the MNR is pretty straighforward.

If you find yourself having to track a wounded deer and its getting near end of legal hours.The guns have to be encased period and a phone call made to the nearest MNR office or 800 number after hours.

They have indicated they will entertain permission to allow you to follow up on tracking that deer.

Having done that you take away any allegations about night poaching and so forth.Now your entry onto private land might still have you dropped in ka,ka but at least you have the back up call you made to the MNR.

Had you made that call things may have ended better,the complainant for the trespass could have been informed that the MNR were aware you were out looking and conveyed that to the complainant.

I know in real life there is a good possibility the MNR may not get back to you BUT THE CALL YOU MADE at least covers you for trying to ensure a deer did not spoil.

If the MNR did not show,you phone records the attempt.I would then call the OPP and try via them,as they have direct contact.

UNFORTUNATELY YOU LEFT YOURSELF WIDE OPEN.

Just a little story for you guys and how things CAN work out if you do the right thing.

About 10 years ago on the last day of Moose hunting season I dropped into a friends hunting camp to say hi and goodbye for the season.Its 10am in the morning and 5 guys are milling around the porch looking rather sheepish.I had stopped hunting because early that day it was pea soup fog and real hard to see.

Anyway the story comes out that they see a Cow and Calf cross the road in front of their truck and head towards a small pond.They
jump out (in the fog) and proceed to surround the pond.One hunter see,s what he thinks is a calf and drops it.Its the cow and they have no tag.

The animal has been down for 1/2hr and is not gutted and the camp captain tells me he has made a phone call to a personal number for the local CO.They get no reply and I tell the camp owner that the CO might not be working or even be away on vacation.Doing nothing is not an option.

Long story short I call a local OPP guy I know,tell him whats happened.He tells me to immediately start cleaning the Moose (save spoliage) and he would try for the MNR guys.

So we all go to the BIG COW lying by the pond and we clean it out and put a BIG ORANGE TARP over it.I look around and locate the calf tracks and make sure they are preserved.

Two rookie MNR guys show up from the Minden office with a trailer some 2 hours later.The hunter who make the kill tells the complete story.The Moose gets seized and he gets a $400.00 out of court settlement POT on the spot.

I heard later he set a date for court,there was some error on the ticket and the charge was stayed.