12ga3” OO buck test group

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Originally Posted by Hardman

http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/bl...-in-its-tracks

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Thanks, yet again confirms that the shoulder shot is an "anchor' shot not a kill shot. It's one of those shots that leave the deer to suffer until a kill shot is administered or the deer is left to slowly bleed out. NOT a "quick kill'.

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"Seasoned deer hunters know that a bullet that’s shot through the scapula damages the brachial plexus, which is part of the central nervous system, and renders the animal almost instantaneously immobile."

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Thanks, yet again confirms that the shoulder shot is an "anchor' shot not a kill shot. It's one of those shots that leave the deer to suffer until a kill shot is administered or the deer is left to slowly bleed out. NOT a "quick kill'.

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Funny how you quote a piece of the article to suit you/your opinion. Almost like fake news!

Its Time to get the boys ready for their morning stands

http://wiredtohunt.com/2009/11/13/th...shoulder-shot/

one more site

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Originally Posted by Hardman

http://wiredtohunt.com/2009/11/13/th...shoulder-shot/

one more site

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Good truthful article.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Thanks, yet again confirms that the shoulder shot is an "anchor' shot not a kill shot. It's one of those shots that leave the deer to suffer until a kill shot is administered or the deer is left to slowly bleed out. NOT a "quick kill'.

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You are DEAD wrong here! Read the article hardman posted. Or google is the high shoulder shot fatal on whitetails. Read some of the older fourms. Not sure where your getting your info from. If you dont wanna believe me thats fine. But at least do some reading.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So a 30-06 is not a valid gun for deer, got it.

Shot a yearling through the heart on the run with a full bore 12ga slug, all 4 legs went out on him, then bouced back up and ran again, no bang flop. Drilled a buck through the heart and both lungs with a Hornady SST slug at 50 yards, deer did not drop, went 50 yards with no lungs left in him.

You want to shoot them through the shoulders have fun with that, a lot of meat loss for nothing.

No projectile outside a cannot will guarantee a bang flop on a deer, you can claim whatever you want but it is obvious that you have not been around all that many deer shot when you claim that a 12ga slug will drop them in their tracks every time.

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Lol read the headline. 12 guage
Not sure why your bringing rifles into this now. You will loose some meat no arguing that. Nice shot on the buck thru the heart and lungs. But you didnt hit the shoulder so if course it will run a bit. Two totally different shots. Can never go wrong with heart and lung shots. We hunt greasy stuff with lots of water. Thats why we take the high shoulder shot whenever we can. I can promise you i have shot way more than a few deer. Im not getting into numbers. So i know exactly what i am talking about. You also said that fawn you shot was running meaning the front leg could be fully extended which means no vitals will be behind the shoulder. Your comparing apples to oranges here in both cases.

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Originally Posted by kk1

Lol read the headline. 12 guage
Not sure why your bringing rifles into this now. You will loose some meat no arguing that. Nice shot on the buck thru the heart and lungs. But you didnt hit the shoulder so if course it will run a bit. Two totally different shots. Can never go wrong with heart and lung shots. We hunt greasy stuff with lots of water. Thats why we take the high shoulder shot whenever we can. I can promise you i have shot way more than a few deer. Im not getting into numbers. So i know exactly what i am talking about. You also said that fawn you shot was running meaning the front leg could be fully extended which means no vitals will be behind the shoulder. Your comparing apples to oranges here in both cases.

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You are comparing your high shoulder 12ga slug shot to everything else, you are insinuating that everything else is incorrect.

If the deer is dead on its feet and can be found then the objective of the hunt has worked, be it buckshot, a 410 slug, 30-30, 30-06, 20ga slug, 12ga slug, compound bow arrow, crossbow bolt, longbow arrow, 300 win may, 50 BMG, I think you get the idea.

Legal, practical and useful for the appropriate ranges, heck, I could go on about how your 12ga slug is no good because you cannot kill the deer at 500 yards effectively due to the bullet drop, but that is not the discussion here, within its limitations the 12ga slug is great and so can any of the other legal options.

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Originally Posted by Fox

You are comparing your high shoulder 12ga slug shot to everything else, you are insinuating that everything else is incorrect.

If the deer is dead on its feet and can be found then the objective of the hunt has worked, be it buckshot, a 410 slug, 30-30, 30-06, 20ga slug, 12ga slug, compound bow arrow, crossbow bolt, longbow arrow, 300 win may, 50 BMG, I think you get the idea.

Legal, practical and useful for the appropriate ranges, heck, I could go on about how your 12ga slug is no good because you cannot kill the deer at 500 yards effectively due to the bullet drop, but that is not the discussion here, within its limitations the 12ga slug is great and so can any of the other legal options.

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Your not getting what i am saying. The high shoulder shot is extremely effective. I hunt thick stuff out of a stand most of the time. I would never say its better than behind the shoulder double lung shot. Both get the job done. Although you may have to do a short tracking job. I am saying a 12guage slug is a much better choice than buckshot. You know where it goes everytime with a rifled barrel. In the video you posted the buckshot guy even said it was lucky and didnt hit where he aimed. Thats my point about disareeing with the use of buckshot. A single projectile placed properly will kill the animal everytime. You cant say the same for buckshot Forget about rifles and everything else thats another topic. I just feel we need to make a quick/clean kill on every deer we shoot at.

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Originally Posted by kk1

But at least do some reading.

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I have years of practical first hand knowledge that trumps an internet article :)

I've hunted with a large gang (10-14) hunters for over 20 yrs. Most of that was with dogs and doing a lot of dogging. We had guys successful use buckshot to kill deer almost ever year...it was the gun/ammo of choice and the proper tool of choice for a dogger pushing a bush. The OP was right to question it's effectiveness and as many have said, from their own experiences, that when used within the range limitations it works fine.

As for shoulder shots...we had a couple of guys that use them. I can honestly say I don't remember ever seeing a deer die instantly from one, if it happened it was not the norm.

However most of the deer shot in the shoulder required a second kill shot. Sometimes the trauma was enough that the deer bleed out before the shot was necessary. But inevitably it usually laid there trying to get back up for a spell.

I did not say that the shoulder shot wasn't a kill shot...I said that it NOT a 'Quick' kill shot. It does no one any service to come on a forum and lead people to believe that a shoulder shot is a 'Quick' kill...it's NOT. Not as I have seen in my years of hunting nor have other members who have posted here.

The patterns I’m getting out of my barrel has me with a 25y shot max.
You know if the range is close enough it would be a lot like a slug.
I’m surprised it’s that short I thought 30 maybe 40. Anyway it’s all good info and one way or the other I’m gunna get a deer.