End the lockdowns

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Bla bla bla, what a bunch of hogwash.
Typical blame the past for the present failure of sitting government.
If you support criminal acts of terrorism as defined by Canadian law, your kind are the biggest threat to democracy

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The sitting Government in Ontario is Conservative so I can agree they failed, but so did the past Conservative Government fail.

In order to lay a charge the Police acting for the Crown need a complainant on an information. Who is going to be the complainant.

Let us say the Canadian National Railways want to go ahead and complain, they would then have to establish they have a right to the property
they owned it and so forth. If they were on sure footed legal ground's how come they do not proceed on behalf of their share holders?
The answer probably is thy are NOT on solid legal grounds and Her Majesty The Queen (THE CROWN) cannot prosecute a case against the
aboriginal people who her predecessors made a deal with.

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Originally Posted by JBen

I know a retired OPP officer that was there Terry. Were you? Do you think the public got the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

With respect to FNs.
Could it be argued that those who stormed the White House, likewise feel they are being cheated and robbed?
Sure it can. At the very least it can be argued they are trying to stop similar from happening again. No?

What about your good buddy Blair and the G2O. Also worth noting Blair wormed out taking responsibility and instead was happy throw a scapegoat under the bus.

So “make up your mind”. Can’t have it both ways.

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No but I was there when the "left" attempted to burn down Queen's Park during the Harris years. The general public knows what has happened at Caledonia, Ipperwash, and Oka. No level of government want's to go down that road again.

With respect to Billy Blair and the G7, the fault is entirely on Harpers shoulders for insisting on having a summit in Toronto, where he was NOT WELCOME, he could have had the summit anywhere else in Canada. But being who he was and wanting to get into citizens "faces" he
had the summit in Toronto, costing taxpayers much money and inconvenience. I place no blame on then Chief Blair, he did his job and tried to keep the peace as much as possible after being "thrown under the bus by Harper".

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

No disrespect to the character of their people, but can you really call it a “great civilization” ??

The continent was sparsely populated by various independent groups who were mostly nomadic. They were certainly mis-treated south of the border but it was a far different story here ?

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There have been several books by Canadian historians about how sophisticated the aboriginal bands were on the arrival of the white man in Canada. They had established trading routes all across this nation, which the Voyageurs and Hudson bay men were shown. They were taught how to survive in the wild's, they used the aboriginal portages and were introduced to bands as they crossed the country with aboriginal guides. The continent was not that sparsely populated that's another white man's narrative. The Indian confederacy extended from America
right into Canada. If you do not think our aboriginals were mis- treated I would suggest more research.

Terry, that arguement is eerily similar to the "Trump/China" one.

You may have points on that. Meaning China is mad at us for doing what the US asked, or the G7/20 riots was Harper fault for deciding to host it in TO. ok, "fine". You are explaining why x happened in your view.

Has nothing to do JT stupidly relying on China, nor does Harpers decision ( whether right or wrong) have diddly to do with he police response. Their's is "not to reason why, theirs is but to follow marching orders". And the subsequent largest abuse of civil rights in Canadian history.

Orders, that would have been given by Blair.

On the topic of protest etc.
Either we turn cheeks to lawlessness or we don't. Your "arguement" with respect to some famous FNs one is kinda like BLMs as well. When it turns to rioting and looting they are offside no matter how just the "issue"..The ends do not justify the means
ever.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it appear at one point in time, I'm not sure exactly when, early on, that Doug Ford flipped like a switch about the covid hysteria. The kind of switch that a quickly inflated bank account can make. As well as the media turned off their venom towards him like a switch.
He also publicly congratulated the fraudulent president. If there's evidence that he new covid was a fraud before he made that statement, I'd suspect he's in serious trouble.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Terry, that arguement is eerily similar to the "Trump/China" one.

You may have points on that. Meaning China is mad at us for doing what the US asked, or the G7/20 riots was Harper fault for deciding to host it in TO. ok, "fine". You are explaining why x happened in your view.

Has nothing to do JT stupidly relying on China, nor does Harpers decision ( whether right or wrong) have diddly to do with he police response. Their's is "not to reason why, theirs is but to follow marching orders". And the subsequent largest abuse of civil rights in Canadian history.

Orders, that would have been given by Blair.

On the topic of protest etc.
Either we turn cheeks to lawlessness or we don't. Your "arguement" with respect to some famous FNs one is kinda like BLMs as well. When it turns to rioting and looting they are offside no matter how just the "issue"..The ends do not justify the means
ever.

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There would not have to be a POLICE RESPONSE at the G7 if My Harper had used his brain and had the event in a more welcoming place in Canada. Remember we had a Liberal government in place in the Province at that time. Why would Harper not have had his G7 summit in
bustling Alberta, how about in a hotel overlooking a tar sand's project. LOL

Trudeau made a deal with China because he believed they would deliver and had not Trump thrown him under the bus they probably would have.

Makes me want to puke!

https://i.imgur.com/bExJbAV.jpg

https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...r-with-trudeau

Ford for the most part, has done what the loudest parts of the electorate want.
March break 2020: Go have fun. By the end of Feb, people knew airports should have been closed.
Same with lockdowns, etc. The strongest language used by him, has been "please don't". Its the safest route.
The only time he has really been strong about something is when smaller stores/franchises price gouged. "I'll come down like a Gorilla".

With respect to small business/big box. I'll give him a wee bit of credit for the fall. The howls from Unions, Healthcare people, and many in the electorate for strict lockdowns were growing as the 2nd wave started. By early Nov most people knew more lockdowns were coming. He resisted until Christmas eve, giving small retailer as much of the Christmas shopping season as he could.

Regardarding his family labelling business. "who knows", maybe, we can't put it past him.

Impact, be careful. Your a right leaning person here. How dare you criticize Ford. Something those on the left are incapable of.
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OMG.

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There would not have to be a POLICE RESPONSE at the G7 if My Harper had used his brain and had the event in a more welcoming place in Canada

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Doesn't matter Mr cop. Once Harper decided that, the boys in blue have no say. What's done is done and theirs is to do their jobs. Were you not a cop at some point?
Period. And marching orders come from the top..aka your good buddy Blair. Your agument is akin to saying WWWII was Hitlers moms fault, if she hadnt spread her legs....

Why are those concepts so hard for you to see? That one is not related to the other.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

The sitting Government in Ontario is Conservative so I can agree they failed, but so did the past Conservative Government fail.

In order to lay a charge the Police acting for the Crown need a complainant on an information. Who is going to be the complainant.

Let us say the Canadian National Railways want to go ahead and complain, they would then have to establish they have a right to the property
they owned it and so forth. If they were on sure footed legal ground's how come they do not proceed on behalf of their share holders?
The answer probably is thy are NOT on solid legal grounds and Her Majesty The Queen (THE CROWN) cannot prosecute a case against the
aboriginal people who her predecessors made a deal with.

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Attempting to justify or support criminal acts off terrorism in any form makes you accomplice.
The rhetoric is pitiful.