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November 25th, 2019, 11:18 AM
canadaman30

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

So what are you constantly complaining about?

The cowardice of our current government to tackle the criminals. Our previous government was implementing mandatory sentences for gangsters. Our current government reversed this allowing our criminals to prosper.
November 25th, 2019, 01:22 PM
Gilroy

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

The cowardice of our current government to tackle the criminals. Our previous government was implementing mandatory sentences for gangsters. Our current government reversed this allowing our criminals to prosper.

Compared to MOST countries in the World we are doing OK. The tipping point for more gun control has not been reached here but again WHEN we have another mass shooting,MAYBE COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO GANG VIOLENCE the politicians will act on behalf of the population.The Danforth shootings and the Mosque shootings in Quebec were not gang related.The Ecole Polytechnic shootings were not gang related,the RCMP shootings In Myercought and the east Coast were not gang related.
November 25th, 2019, 01:24 PM
Gilroy

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Originally Posted by line052

I seen this come up from 2010... Look at all the posts about the history and changes since then under the Current LIB/CON system of elections. What changed? Nothing but tweaks.

I was part of those hoping for change under the CONS. Quite simple gentlemen, nothing will change, or will just change enough to appease a voting block (cause that's what we are a voting block - "Firearms")

AS Patzeval point out back in 2010, it started with Trudeau Snr, it became enacted with the New Constitution signing in 1982. This couple with Orders In Counsel have allowed government to strip away our basic rights, Free Speech, Property Rights, and we the victims of these actions have become dependant upon the state to provide all those safeties and protections since.

I realized this several years ago, that neither CON/LIB/NDP/GRN parties have any desire to change this state ownership of your rights under the new Constitution and Charter - they benefit from power it brings them. It ensures all of our rights have been turned into privilege (we must ask for and pay a fee), subject to state approval, regulations, conditions and removal. What did I fight for, what did the veterans of WW1, WWII, Korea, Afgan fight for: privileges or what used to be a right inherent (now gone).

The hard-core Conservatives on this page will bash me for being Libertarian, but they continually support a party that has no interest in changing the power balance back to - free speech, individual rights and property rights, which are basic building blocks of a Democracy. It is where all freedom is derived from, individual rights and property rights, by having these inherent rights, the states authority stops at your door or land. This would mean be being able to shoot handguns on your land, build a home as you please (mud brick, live in your RV, while you cash build your {OMB Regs - stops you}, heat your home with seal oil from clubbed seals of the coast of NFLD - if you choose) You see after 2.5 generations of social engineering of our children have they accepted "State Authority" as a good thing and the "state" is responsible to provide all to me - free housing- lower cell costs- carbon tax - Public Education (indoctrination to state subservience) ect, ect.

IF we don't demand change - then I will revisit this post in 9 more yrs and copy and post this reply again... (that is if gun forum are still allowed)

I am Libertarian

Lots of truth spoken here.
November 25th, 2019, 04:32 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by line052

I seen this come up from 2010... Look at all the posts about the history and changes since then under the Current LIB/CON system of elections. What changed? Nothing but tweaks.

I was part of those hoping for change under the CONS. Quite simple gentlemen, nothing will change, or will just change enough to appease a voting block (cause that's what we are a voting block - "Firearms")

AS Patzeval point out back in 2010, it started with Trudeau Snr, it became enacted with the New Constitution signing in 1982. This couple with Orders In Counsel have allowed government to strip away our basic rights, Free Speech, Property Rights, and we the victims of these actions have become dependant upon the state to provide all those safeties and protections since.

I realized this several years ago, that neither CON/LIB/NDP/GRN parties have any desire to change this state ownership of your rights under the new Constitution and Charter - they benefit from power it brings them. It ensures all of our rights have been turned into privilege (we must ask for and pay a fee), subject to state approval, regulations, conditions and removal. What did I fight for, what did the veterans of WW1, WWII, Korea, Afgan fight for: privileges or what used to be a right inherent (now gone).

The hard-core Conservatives on this page will bash me for being Libertarian, but they continually support a party that has no interest in changing the power balance back to - free speech, individual rights and property rights, which are basic building blocks of a Democracy. It is where all freedom is derived from, individual rights and property rights, by having these inherent rights, the states authority stops at your door or land. This would mean be being able to shoot handguns on your land, build a home as you please (mud brick, live in your RV, while you cash build your {OMB Regs - stops you}, heat your home with seal oil from clubbed seals of the coast of NFLD - if you choose) You see after 2.5 generations of social engineering of our children have they accepted "State Authority" as a good thing and the "state" is responsible to provide all to me - free housing- lower cell costs- carbon tax - Public Education (indoctrination to state subservience) ect, ect.

IF we don't demand change - then I will revisit this post in 9 more yrs and copy and post this reply again... (that is if gun forum are still allowed)

I am Libertarian

This excellent post pretty much sums everything up,perfectly. It will be very interesting to see what transpires over the next 10 years. Hopefully,Gilroy is right if other than a bunch of hootin',hollerin' and political posturing,not one damn thing changes. Sure works for me.
BTW,someone mentioned Patvetzel. We haven't heard from him since July last year. Does anyone know where he went or if he's still with us?
November 26th, 2019, 07:53 PM
oaknut

Not intentionally dredging this up again but I had an interesting conversation on this topic today.

Bumped into an old timer today as he was taking a stroll through the jobsite and the topic of gun control came up as he is an avid pistol collector and shooting club member who came from the GTA. After a bunch of special words about his city of origin and other major Canadian cities he told me of his time spent looking for a correlation between the increased violence and its cause. One answer came to light, not gun sales, not government, not policing but immigration. He said no one should dare ever to mention the words in public but immigration numbers spiked in 2014 and Toronto's shootings jumped by nearly 200 incidents in 2015. Take this as you will, couldn't help but ponder the idea.

Myself, I think we need to regulate fecal matter from the Torontonians due to the recent......

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/11/...de-u-of-t/amp/

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November 26th, 2019, 08:47 PM
73hunter

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Lots of truth spoken here.

Gilroy that’s the best post you’ve made all week.
November 27th, 2019, 07:42 AM
fishfood

Wonder if its is own ?or just collecting samples from the creek near by in Hamilton lol . [emoji2958][emoji3062]

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January 16th, 2020, 11:44 PM
Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by patvetzal

Back a few years the MNR regs just stated that handguns were not admitted accross the border. Now they state that handguns and fully automatic weapons are NOT ALLOWED for hunting in Ontario. Page 21 of the 2010-2011 regs.
As far as I know it is not even legal to fire handguns on your own indoor range in your own home anymore.....

Actually handguns are allowed for hunting in Ontario. If you have a handgun, antique enough to fall outside the Firearm Act there apparently is nothing to prevent its use for hunting, in the province. You should however carry certification that attests to it antiquity with you. The reason the regulation state that you are not allowed to hunt with handguns is the restriction placed upon them by Federal Firearm Act which limits their use to formal ranges. This came up awhile back in Ask a CO - Ontario Out of Doors.

You don stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
January 17th, 2020, 09:37 AM
Fox

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Actually handguns are allowed for hunting in Ontario. If you have a handgun, antique enough to fall outside the Firearm Act there apparently is nothing to prevent its use for hunting, in the province. You should however carry certification that attests to it antiquity with you. The reason the regulation state that you are not allowed to hunt with handguns is the restriction placed upon them by Federal Firearm Act which limits their use to formal ranges. This came up awhile back in Ask a CO - Ontario Out of Doors.

You don stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

They used to say you could not use a handgun but that was removed because an air pistol under 500fps is still a handgun. You cannot use a handgun for big game in Ontario though. You can use a pistol that was made before 1898 for hunting small game, would be fun to shoot a rabbit with an old webley, or if you are made of money a very early C96 Mauser.
January 19th, 2020, 01:42 AM
Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Compared to MOST countries in the World we are doing OK. The tipping point for more gun control has not been reached here but again WHEN we have another mass shooting,MAYBE COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO GANG VIOLENCE the politicians will act on behalf of the population.The Danforth shootings and the Mosque shootings in Quebec were not gang related.The Ecole Polytechnic shootings were not gang related,the RCMP shootings In Myercought and the east Coast were not gang related.

Interesting you should mention the Danforth shooting, what was published about it was not all that convincing. The suspects brother appeared to be into drugs. He was move from western Canada to Ontario, it sounded like the individual who got the brother out of jail, may have done so to have him cuts some type of potent drug, which he appeared to have mishandled, that basically turn him into a vegetable. That same friend was a gun trafficker, who I feel set the suspect up with his firearm, and may have set him on a course of some type of societal revenge motif, as pay back for his brother’s condition. Alas, an other conspiracy theory, but there were some elements around that seem to belong but didn’t appear to get connected.

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut.

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