Open Carry in the Bush

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Originally Posted by welsh

"Village" and "city street" are two different scenatios entirely. Try it on Yonge. :)

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I'll refer to the criminal code possession for dangerous purpose Sect 88(1).

I saw six guns lost since 1998 at Peel Regional Police in your article. 1900 sworn members and 16 years obviously never an acceptable number but not as bad as I thought it would be. Didn't like the source either. Not a big fan of the Star.

We as legit gun owners I think take the cake when it comes to lost or stolen. Numbers don't lie there while I do believe that vast majority of crime guns in Canada are smuggled from south.

Take poor Calvin an advocate for all of us. 53 guns in one fluke break and enter. It would take Peel Police a while to get up to those numbers.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/crime/2010/03/17/men_charged_in_theft_of_53_guns_including_uzi_from _apartment.html
Says here Calvin had lost 30 not 53 and that Toronto police seize 2400 guns a year. Probably a lot of that is amnesty.

This Stat say 328 for all police agencies across Canada. Doesn't say time frame but if you try the NFA website it speculates since 2008. Bit short of the 1000 multiple. Not even a 1000 since 2008 really.
http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=0cf469f3-9f66-49ea-ab41-1d158cb338df

Had to find recent stats with numbers.of guns stolen. According to rcmp stats looks to be average 3000 with roughly half recovered. So depending on what the time frame is of the above Stat cops account for at most ten percent.

This one says 918 stolen in Ontario in 2012 with 94% long guns.
http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/annual-report/Guns-and-Gangs.asp

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

No most are just lost but it's OK because it's the Police. But you know gun owners are bad people.

This is 1 Police force. We can probably multiply this by at least 1000 or just multiply by the number of forces.

There use to be a complete report but I cannot seem to find the link anymore.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...for_years.html



I tried. Do you have a source? I didn't know that. Including break and enters and range thefts?

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

KawarthaGoose

Up until 1971 / 1972 Even Bank Managers carried side arms. My Dad use to carry a 38 special for the bank even when he was off duty. Up until 1990 it was much easier to purchase a handgun and back then you were still allowed to go target shoot in a sand pit. The handgun registry has existed since 1971 but still has never stopped criminals, I don't know but I think criminal still don't register their handguns if I am wrong you can correct me.

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The hand gun registry has been around since 1934.

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Originally Posted by welsh

"Village" and "city street" are two different scenatios entirely. Try it on Yonge. :)

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LOL Welsh . It is funny you mention Yonge and it happens regular because Yonge is an extension of #11 highway but heah I know where you mean the GTA . Well there actually was a gunshop on Yonge St although I'm not sure it still is and a friend of mine bought a rifle and we walked just down the street to my parked truck and jumped in it and headed for home . Nothing encased .:D True story .:D I actually get a chuckle when some of my friends from the south or even some not get all panicky and encase and trigger lock when we get into the vehicle . Daylight hours there is no need for using a case nor is it law to lock it . North of Novar you can even walk down the road with it loaded .

TD

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

KawarthaGoose

Up until 1971 / 1972 Even Bank Managers carried side arms. My Dad use to carry a 38 special for the bank even when he was off duty. Up until 1990 it was much easier to purchase a handgun and back then you were still allowed to go target shoot in a sand pit. The handgun registry has existed since 1971 but still has never stopped criminals, I don't know but I think criminal still don't register their handguns if I am wrong you can correct me.

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Actually, it became easier to purchase handguns when they brought out the first FACs. Before then, you needed a "permit to purchase" if you were buying from a store. This could take a while to get as you were investigated by both your local police and RCMP before you got your first one. In my case they came to my house to speak to my wife, talked to both my neighbours and my boss. Modern privacy laws that have since come into effect would prohibit this.
If you were buying privately, or inheriting, then you just took the gun to the station to register it......
When the FACs came out, they didn't differentiate between long guns and handguns. If you were cleared to buy one, then you could buy both, a mistake on the part of the liberals which allowed many to buy handguns as the FAC was much easier to get than the old Permit to Purchase.
My wife was a bank teller at 19. Back then they also did cash payroll deliveries which demanded that she carry an old Webley around Scarborough and North York. I had to wait until I was 21 to join a gun club.
Our carrying permits were issued after that club was confident that we could safely handle a handgun under all conditions. This also meant hitting the target....

I currently do not own handguns but probably will by next year for target shooting, I have no interest in hunting with one right now. That being said I absolutely stand behind those who would choose to do so responsibly, any hunter who would disagree with this is being counterproductive to the rest of us and should be ashamed. The day may come when they try to ban/turn down a type of hunting you do (or would like to do), at that point I am sure you would like the rest of the hunting community to stand behind you. I am quite disappointed with some of the comments in this thread.

Awe c'mon dont use logic in an internet argument.

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Originally Posted by Mdiddi

Bluebulldog I can't find those stats but would be interested. Not being condescending just curious. I tried to search range accidents but came up mostly south of the border. I would say that by the time the average cop leaves the academy they would fire more than a black badge certification. I dont think a cop in an average career would shoot as much as an active Ipsc shooter does in one year. There are accidents in Ppc and Ipsc too just like hunting.

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I know it was a thread that was discussed on here about 2 years ago. CFO in ON had seven reported range incidents, 4 or 5 were LEOs. I'll see if I can't find it somewhere.

No argument about the fact that by the time a cop leaves the academy, but there is serious skill fade in most police forces.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

I know it was a thread that was discussed on here about 2 years ago. CFO in ON had seven reported range incidents, 4 or 5 were LEOs. I'll see if I can't find it somewhere.

No argument about the fact that by the time a cop leaves the academy, but there is serious skill fade in most police forces.

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These days, the cops would sooner go to a "Golf Tournament " than to a "Shooting Match" , and most of them do not know anything about any other firearms other than the ones "that are issued to them" , or the ones they used at the police college in Aylmer .