Open Carry in the Bush

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Originally Posted by topher

Disagree.. a rifle is probably more dangerous than a handgun... (range, velocity etc) AFAIK a 22lr from a rifle had allot more velocity than a 22 from a handgun... therefore I can deduct that a projectile fired from a longer barrel (to a point) has more impact energy than from a pistol...

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Exactly.

I don't think those who are voicing their opinions against handguns have any clue about ballistics and have been relying on movies and/or anti-gun propaganda to get their "facts". They're saying the bush will be more dangerous if handguns are allowed, yet the long guns hunters currently use will throw bullets much faster and farther.

That means handguns are technically safer than rifles...



Then you have action type. Full auto is not allowed in Canada which means the fastest action would be semi auto.

That means the handguns would shoot just as fast as your semi auto rifle or shotgun.


Then there are those who say that it'll result in more gang bangers having handguns. We already have very strict laws for restricted firearms and that has done nothing to reduce the number of firearms related crimes. Why? The huge majority of handguns that gangs use are brought in from the US.

That means gangs will be able to get their hands on handguns even if Canadians were prohibited from owning handguns. Do you really think firearms laws will do anything to stop crooks from obtaining firearms? If so, I suggest coming back to reality.

Originally Posted by Mdiddi http://www.oodmag.com/community/imag...post-right.png
Bluebulldog I can't find those stats but would be interested. Not being condescending just curious. I tried to search range accidents but came up mostly south of the border. I would say that by the time the average cop leaves the academy they would fire more than a black badge certification. I dont think a cop in an average career would shoot as much as an active Ipsc shooter does in one year. There are accidents in Ppc and Ipsc too just like hunting

I suppose a simple requirement for a RPAL could be asked of any new recruits.No cost to the public except the rookie trying to get on the job.As they have to take the shotgun training at Aylmer they may as well get the restricted and non restricted training.

Once your on the job the big problem is scheduling especially for the big services.Annual leave,court cases,and a whole host of other issues makes it even difficult to schedule for the annual re qualification.Just ask any supervisor.

We did have a pretty decent target shooting gun club in Toronto Police years ago and they competed a lot in the States,dont know if they are still running.

Years ago, I pushed to have the CFSC mandatory for applicants, similar to first aid and CPR certificate requirements....brass at the time didn't think it was necessary !!!! Go figure !

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Originally Posted by rick_iles

Years ago, I pushed to have the CFSC mandatory for applicants, similar to first aid and CPR certificate requirements....brass at the time didn't think it was necessary !!!! Go figure !

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Firearms safety course for those who are issued firearms, no, not necessary.

Sounds so stupid.

A friend who is an ex police chief said he shoots way more as a hunter than they ever did when he was a police officer, he wants mandatory training and mandatory shooting for all LEOs

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Originally Posted by Fox

Firearms safety course for those who are issued firearms, no, not necessary.

Sounds so stupid.

A friend who is an ex police chief said he shoots way more as a hunter than they ever did when he was a police officer, he wants mandatory training and mandatory shooting for all LEOs

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Well we have the mandatory training and the mandatory shooting the question raised is it enought. Most posters tend to think its not and I tend to agree,however the logistics,cost,to get it done are pretty bad.You got to remember its not that long ago we got shot of our pee shooters.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well we have the mandatory training and the mandatory shooting the question raised is it enought. Most posters tend to think its not and I tend to agree,however the logistics,cost,to get it done are pretty bad.You got to remember its not that long ago we got shot of our pee shooters.

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They should have to go and do it themselves, spend the $200 for an RPAL and go do some live fire ATT course.

I do think that our RPAL and PAL courses do not teach enough, mentoring is required to know how to shoot properly. You may be able to be safe but knowledge of firearms and their use does not really come from these courses.

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Originally Posted by Fox

They should have to go and do it themselves, spend the $200 for an RPAL and go do some live fire ATT course.

I do think that our RPAL and PAL courses do not teach enough, mentoring is required to know how to shoot properly. You may be able to be safe but knowledge of firearms and their use does not really come from these courses.

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It's precisely for those reasons that all gun ranges have to do their own safety courses. My club also has a 90 day probation, where you have to shoot a minimum X times in each discipline under the supervision of an instructor.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

It's precisely for those reasons that all gun ranges have to do their own safety courses. My club also has a 90 day probation, where you have to shoot a minimum X times in each discipline under the supervision of an instructor.

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We just had dad within arms reach

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Originally Posted by Fox

We just had dad within arms reach

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LOL, so did I when I learned, but there is a growing trend for people to get involved with firearms who have never handled one before, they then show up at the range and actually pose a fairly real danger to others, and themselves. Most clubs recognize this, and are conducting themselves accordingly.

When I first joined Galt in 1997, as long as you had your FAC you were given a key to the club.

As an active Patrol LEO, in my old agency, just to transition to a semi handgun was a 3 day classroom, 600 round minimum outside course of fire. All types of FTF, stoppages, retention, strong hand/weak hand, etc. were thoroughly taught.

At the end of the course you had to qualify on the standard COF.

We also had to run the night fire full Patrol course complete with active light bars, deafening federal siren, yelp, phaser, hi lo, going full blast with muted street lighting.

I was shocked at the lack of skills of a very few active LEOs. Most did well.
I instructed defensive firearm training and qualification at the Academy one year and got a much different picture of new recruits and sidearms. Don't believe I'd ever do it again in a fast paced Academy setting.