Throne Speech: Liberals to introduce Gun control measures

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Originally Posted by JBen

Yes or no Welsh.
Did the LGR demonstratebly (stats ) make CDNs safer.

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I haven't made any comments here regarding the effectiveness of the gun registry, and I'm not going to be drawn into that discussion.

My point is that the gun registry is a dead issue in federal politics, because political possibilities are constrained by public opinion. I think that's the last time I'll repeat myself on that, thanks.

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Originally Posted by JBen

U.S. Per capita gun deaths: 30
See our suicide rates. M 24, F 8, and gun deaths 2

And what gets the time of day? Next time someone/anyone says Americans are idiots, or crazy (all the shootings) or scoffs at the U.S. for doing nothing...............might want to look in our backyards. We are killing ourselves at a rate that's approaching the U.S. Gun death rate and
/crickets

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Actually, no. You don't get a national suicide rate of 32 by adding 24 and 8, because the male and female rates are per capita male and female population, respectively. You get the national rate by averaging those two rates. The actual suicide rate in Canada is 11.3 / 100,000 population (2012 data), which lags the US suicide rate of 12.9 for the same year.

Your numbers are off to begin with. Canada's suicide rate among males (all age groups) is 17.3, and among females, 5.4. The US rate, for comparison, is 20.6 among males, and 5.5 among females.

Canada does not have a unique and unusual suicide problem. </red_herring>

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...lth66e-eng.htm
http://www.suicidology.org/Portals/1...datapgsv1d.pdf

Looking at pictures of Trudough , posing or smirking or gazing into his wife's eyes for another 4 years may well push Canadians to leap off Niagara Falls . I wouldn't be surprised to see our stats catch up to America......

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Originally Posted by terrym

Looking at pictures of Trudough , posing or smirking or gazing into his wife's eyes for another 4 years may well push Canadians to leap off Niagara Falls .

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Now I'm cleaning coffee off my monitor. Thanks, Terry. ;)

You bring something like that up because Rugger and Welsh produce facts. Diversion tactic?

:rolleyes:Whoooosh...........

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Originally Posted by terrym

Looking at pictures of Trudough , posing or smirking or gazing into his wife's eyes for another 4 years may well push Canadians to leap off Niagara Falls . I wouldn't be surprised to see our stats catch up to America......

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Unfortunately he has got so much charisma going for him. It appears that he can say or do no wrong. So you are likely to be looking at that smirking face for more than another 4 years. A case in point, the large urban centers in both Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes, are fertile ground for Liberal socialization policies, and they resonate really well there. After padding their numbers with the First Nations, the environmentalist, and a couple hundred thousand refugees. They would really have to screw up to turn enough of the vote against them. Remember in Canada we don't vote parties into power, we vote them out, because we don't like what they have done.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

Thanks Rugger, not sure why I though US gun death was 30. (Maybe annually I think it's 30,000??)

Because it is "sort" of related (the mental health aspect to gun deaths, mass shootings) to GC.

Here's one look at stats can. There have some articles in the press recently about it. Tables I saw a couple weeks ago had the 24/8.

Things that make you go hmm with respect to safety, death rates, and what gets the grease and spins

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-624-.../11696-eng.htm

I'll see if I can find it Welsh, we know your a stickler. Yes yes, let's make it about being off a bit when the point is well a few things. Not the least of which was….
Way more men, especially middle aged men commit suicide here….than total gun deaths 2.2
and yet…

Classic welsh, no need to attempt to "educate" Welsh.

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Actually, no. You don't get a national suicide rate of 32 by adding 24 and 8, because the male and female rates are per capita male and female population, respectively. You get the national rate by averaging those two rates. The actual suicide rate in Canada is 11.3 / 100,000 population (2012 data), which lags the US suicide rate of 12.9 for the same year.

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Still looking for the reports Ive seen recently that had you bothered to read and not bothered to spin the context into what you want.
Pleas quote me where I said it was 32.
I said and I'll repeat it for you so its nice and easy. The per capita rate for middle aged men is 24 and women 8. Regardless gun deaths are 2….Tell me what is an isn't a public health/safety issue.

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Your numbers are off to begin with. Canada's suicide rate among males (all age groups) is 17.3, and among females, 5.4. The US rate, for comparison, is 20.6 among males, and 5.5 among females.

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And If the US gun death rate is 11.Where did I compare Suicide rates…?
Whether the CDN male suicide rate is 17 or middle aged suicide is 24 (those 40-59) they both dwarf the US gun deaths which we have many things to say about (usually down our noses) and yet right here we have whats becoming known as a silent epidemic
/crickets.
(aka little being done).

but JT, Liberals and others..oh yes with such a high gun death rate of 2.2 and Canada being unsafe….Yep we need more GC.

Gun control placates the ill informed and gun grabbers. They outnumber legal gun owners so politically it's worth the roll of the dice. None of it has much to do with safety.

So as to not edit. This isn't the one I read a couple weeks ago that put current middle aged per capita rates in Canada at 24 and 8. One recent in the Globe said its now 4 times higher (middle aged M to middle aged F), not the long standing 3x (be it 24 to 8) or (17 to5).

"paucity of explanatory research"
http://www.bcmj.org/articles/silent-...c-male-suicide

The point Ive been trying to make is just that. People are "dropping like flies" relative to gun deaths and yet…..What get "attention". And with respect to the US and all the nice things we say about their "gun problem"…I don't know if the comparable rates here are 24 (male ma suicide) and 11 (US gun death)….and we want to talk lack of "action"…we have nothing to crow about.