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FMC,

I’m conservative-minded (fiscally and moderately socially), but I’m well aware that the political right has its share of skeletons in the closet. No party has a clean slate, except perhaps the NDP because there are not YET enough people dumb enough to give them a chance at governing.

There is a happy medium somewhere but we’ve not seen it in some time. Paul Martin as MoF I think was a good example of it, others may disagree and that’s ok - I didn’t follow politics as much back then but I do remember the deficit disappearing without the country falling apart.

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So you think the cons. from Canada are much different than those conservatives in the U.S who voted for trump. Many of the same ideals, and they are the ones on the 'dole', who enabled more money to go to wall street and big business. Those who voted for trump , a conservative, are from the poorest, least educated states, who have the most to loose when the government cuts back.

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I think there are many more differences between the conservative voters in the two countries than you think.

It seems like many of those who voted for Trump were completely exasperated with anyone else. Unregulated and irresponsible capitalism led to the Great Recession, not enough people were held accountable for it (watch The Big Short, fantastic movie) but the great masses paid for it. The recovery has done well for many but many more were left behind. They voted for the guy with the promises but he can’t bring those hundreds of thousands of blue collar jobs back, unless Americans are prepared to work for Third World wages. Some of his points are quite valid but mostly I think the mid-Western voters in the Rust Belt were handily fooled by a con man.

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I bet that guy is a conservative voter, to keep out the immigrants that are taking his job. All he needs is a MAGA hat, but he seems to have his, 'buck a beer'. LOL.

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Please tell me you wrote this after drinking a couple of bottles of wine. Sorry, I don't mean to poke fun, but this doesn't make sense at all, even the MAGA hat ... we're in Canada.

We conservative voters have zero problems with immigrants that are prepared to pick up their shovel and work for their living, educate their children and make Canada great. The problem we have is with freeloaders and that extends beyond just immigrants but anyone who lives in this country and thinks it's okay to free load on the backs of hard working individuals. Not to be mistaken by those truly in need of help, like those that are sick ... it's all about trying and having some self dignity, there's a special place in my heart for individuals that will not take when Lord knows they need help. I have ALL the time in the world for people like that. Freeloaders are on the opposite end of that spectrum.

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Those who voted for trump , a conservative, are from the poorest, least educated states, who have the most to loose when the government cuts back.

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And it is generalizations like that, that in fact put Trump in power.

Asserting ( in a passive aggressive manner) that people who voted for Trump are "poor, and uneducated".

People in the US had had enough of double talking, elitist, democrats like HRC, who alienated an entire demographic, calling them "a basket of deplorables".

The rust belt, and much of the center US, saw jobs leave in droves under Obama, and little recovery. HRC came in and basically said "we're staying the course"....so Trump was in.

Incidentally, he's attempting to deliver on what he promised, by minimizing US jobs being globalized, and minimizing China's influence on the US market.....so there are a lot of "deplorables" who will continue to vote against the Dems.

Be quite careful how dismissive you are in asserting that people with Conservative values are ignorant, or unenlightened. Many Conservative voters came to be that way by having the benefit of 30+ years of watching economies ebb and flow. Idealism is great, but knowing that the piper has to be paid at the end of the tune is a fact that many on the left seem to forget. Of course it's no wonder why.....consumer debt is at an all time high, and no one seems to be scared....

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And it is generalizations like that, that in fact put Trump in power.

Asserting ( in a passive aggressive manner) that people who voted for Trump are "poor, and uneducated".

People in the US had had enough of double talking, elitist, democrats like HRC, who alienated an entire demographic, calling them "a basket of deplorables".

The rust belt, and much of the center US, saw jobs leave in droves under Obama, and little recovery. HRC came in and basically said "we're staying the course"....so Trump was in.

Incidentally, he's attempting to deliver on what he promised, by minimizing US jobs being globalized, and minimizing China's influence on the US market.....so there are a lot of "deplorables" who will continue to vote against the Dems.

Be quite careful how dismissive you are in asserting that people with Conservative values are ignorant, or unenlightened. Many Conservative voters came to be that way by having the benefit of 30+ years of watching economies ebb and flow. Idealism is great, but knowing that the piper has to be paid at the end of the tune is a fact that many on the left seem to forget. Of course it's no wonder why.....consumer debt is at an all time high, and no one seems to be scared....

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Excellent post. Although there are a couple here who won’t get it.

BBD . it is not a generalization, it is easily provable that the states that voted for trump ARE the least educated, most illiterate and poorest states. The U.S government. census says so. OR are you going to argue that the 'facts' prove it are 'fake news. LOL.

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BBD . it is not a generalization, it is easily provable that the states that voted for trump ARE the least educated, most illiterate and poorest states. The U.S government. census says so. OR are you going to argue that the 'facts' prove it are 'fake news. LOL.

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No...but very typical left argument. Someone opposes your viewpoint, or way of thinking, attempt to discredit their validity by calling into question their education.....worked well for HRC, by all means, carry on.

Of course, arguing that social reforms hurts the poor, only regards those who are unemployable. The "working poor" which was a much larger demographic, were much of what put Trump in, because they regarded better jobs and American production of goods as being helpful to an economy based on a capitalist model......funny, but I guess even baseline education states must teach economics 101.....

Not trying to discredit their 'validity', just pointing out readily available facts. That the poorest and least educated voted for trump. Spin that fact anyway you want, but it won't change that provable truth..

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Not trying to discredit their 'validity', just pointing out readily available facts. That the poorest and least educated voted for trump. Spin that fact anyway you want, but it won't change that provable truth..

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OK....that is your "truth"...and it's not spun at all.

Here is the truth, and you can do whatever you like with it.

Exit polls, much like election polls, get it wrong...all the time. It was these same polls which gave HRC such a huge landslide, only to have her fall on her face.

They sample demographics, period. There are only a handful of states that have begun to weight by education...and surprise....they are in fact, ones that went to the Dems.

Let's be completely honest about these "results" as well. It's easy to dismiss those you don't like as being stupid, or unenlightened. And suffer confirmation bias by citing sources like fivethirtyeight, people-press, etc. However, this so-called investigative journalism looked at education in one standard only.....those who polled and identified as having a 4 year degree......yes...because so much of the population has that level of education.

Ironically, it's the working class ( those without a four year degree) who overwhelmingly voted for Trump....you know...those not indoctrinated by the leftist elite in what is considered the "open thinking" universities. Those who have associate degrees, those who have college diplomas, those who have trade schools.....which by the polling standard the Dems would have one believe....are uneducated, and evidently too stupid to have the vote.....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/u...rst-place.html

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Not trying to discredit their 'validity', just pointing out readily available facts. That the poorest and least educated voted for trump. Spin that fact anyway you want, but it won't change that provable truth..

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I have a university degree So I am educated. Education is not equal to wisdom. One of the wisest men I know has grade 8 education. Two of the most foolish people I know have PhDs


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