Carbon Tax increases NOT put on hold

And many more Gord. Ottside and through Ottawa, MTL, Calg, etc.

The point in case you can't grasp it is.
People in major cities are some of the biggest polluters.
people in major cities have cheap Nat Gas. Do you have any freaking idea at all, what it cost to heat a home with Hydro, Propane or Oil?
People in major cities have access to public transportation.

Port hope to the city?
I worked with a guy for twenty years that lived in Cobourg. There's this green friendly thing call Go Train service.
You were saying?

But why aren't that they doing that?
Well because there's too many votes to lose

Sounds to me, that like most people in the GTA...Anyone but me. And on those rare occasions where it would hit you harder you dont like it. But would actually be "fairer" ( remember that word)?
Gas plants? << Talk good games, but when it comes time to walk the talk.....

Lets not also forget, that all those highways move goods. The most in North America. to which you and I benefitted greatly. Now we can tax the gas trucks use, or slap hefty tolls on the major highways. Call it 6 of one, half dozen of another.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

The entire world shut down..business closed, air traffic grounded, no tourism, greatly reduce commuting to work (massive unemployment)

And yet according the world watchers of Co2 emissions, we only dented the total by 9%....

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18922-7

So to all you Greeny's out there...Canada’s Paris target is to reduce GHGs 30 % ( Co2 is 81% if GHG) from 2005 levels by 2030. And going to spend $Billions trying to to it.

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Since the 'Forum Fool' has discounted this single source....I'll add more evidence to the scientific consensus that while the world was crippled reducing Co2 emissions has had little affect on climate change:

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According to preliminary estimates by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the annual global carbon dioxide (CO2) emission reduced 4.2-7.5 per cent in 2020.

WMO’s Global Carbon Project has estimated that “during the most intense period of the shutdown, daily CO2 emissions may have been reduced by up to 17 per cent globally due to the confinement of the population”.

But there is not much to cheer about: WMO calls it a blip on the planet’s uncontrolled emission scenario.

At the global scale, an emissions reduction at this scale will not cause atmospheric CO2 to go down. CO2 will continue to go up, though at a slightly reduced pace (0.08-0.23 ppm per year lower).

The natural inter-annual variability in CO2 emission is 1 part per million (ppm). It means the impact of the pandemic on CO2 reduction is not significant and not even higher than the natural variability figure.

“This means that on the short-term the impact of the COVID-19 confinements cannot be distinguished from natural variability,” according to WMO.

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/...-warming-74362
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[/Q• At its peak in April, regions responsible for ~90% of global fossil CO2 emissions were under some level of confinement
• Aviation decreased by 75%, surface transport by 50%, power generation by 15%, industry uncertain but ~35%, small
increase in residential buildings of 5%
• Global lockdown induced large drop in emissions, 3-months 8% and peak drop 17% unprecedented, dropping to levels last observed in 2006. At their peak, emissions in individual countries decreased by ~27%.
• Emissions from surface transport accounted for almost half (43%) of the decrease, industry & power together accounted
for 43%, & aviation 12%.
• Drop in CO2 emissions had no detectable impact on atmospheric CO2 or climate change
• It is extremely small compared to the emissions accumulated so far, and compared to the emissions cuts needed to
tackle climate change.
https://unfccc.int/sites/default/fil...rce/1.GCP_.pdf

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I know these results don't support the Liberal Carbon Neural plan...but in the greatest experiment the world has ever conducted, reduction of global Co2 emissions has been negligible..all 3 independent studies sited, agree the reduction to be at around 9%.

So the social engineering experiment by the Village Idiot (make us drive less or pay more) is going to have "0"..'ZERO' effect on Co2 emissions.

Your right.

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Your right.

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Well your welcome but really the thanks' must go to Erin O'Toole pushing for the Paris Climate change and a new carbon tax, supported by Alberta the original proponents of the said tax.

And lest I be met with some silly reply about politician's not wanting to give vote rich urban centers any reason to whinge.
https://globalnews.ca/tag/john-tory-road-tolls/

/looks at the 401, 427, dvp, and many more on any given day. If JT and the liberals were truly concerned about changing driving habits and using a "tax" to do it.
And for people that don't have tons of pocket change, there are buses, subways, streetcars, Go Trains, buses from Oshawa to Yorkdale, and Barrie. If I'm not mistake there's still a via train from PTBO to Union and sooooooooooooooooooo very much more.

/looks like Tory wasn't actually willing to lose his job over it and that yes, you talk a good game G but when it comes time to ante up :)
funny that.

This is going to crush people that don't exactly have money to spare. Especially these days, and in the years to come.

And as for the Carbon Tax rebate...as per the Conservative slogan for ."Not as Advertised"..last years Carbon tax rebates:

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When announcing the carbon tax rebate program, the federal government estimated the average payment would be $248 in New Brunswick, $300 in Ontario, $336 in Manitoba and $598 in Saskatchewan.

As of June 3, the average payment is less than those amounts,: $174 in New Brunswick, $203 in Ontario, $231 in Manitoba and $422 in Saskatchewan.

The federal government forecast paying out a total of $2.1 billion in climate action payments, and has paid $1.75 billion to date.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/average-...ests-1.1270353

So they misled the Canadian Public again

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And as I said earlier...using Turbo tax s/w (the standard) the rebate, mine was much less than that...$30.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

And as for the Carbon Tax rebate...as per the Conservative slogan for ."Not as Advertised"..last years Carbon tax rebates:



And as I said earlier...using Turbo tax s/w (the standard) the rebate, mine was much less than that...$30.

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Wait until you get the O'Toole carbon tax.

Always more taxes [emoji1787] Trudeau is pushing for the digital tax he wants to tax American tech Giants and add more taxes to use it in Canada. More taxes before we are out of this pandemic mess.


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That too Mike, the "rebate" is per household.
Living in the country we get an extra $40. Thank god I dont have kids that work part time, play hockey, etc
/points at the extra mileage we both do a year. LCBO runs are 20 min, not 2. Groceries, doctors, friends/family, you name it :)
/points at people in the country not driving eco friendly Micra's. Its almost all trucks and SuVs. Country roads, snow, fewer plows and sanders ( not salt for us). Could that explain why fewer ended up in ditches...


We just had our Propane filled last week Dec 9th. So my statement is handy.
Jan: $607.8
Feb: $476.4
Mar: $535.0
May: $499.5
Dec 9th, 2020 : $501.80

I wonder Gord, if it cost you $2,620. to heat your home each winter.

Thank god, when I moved here in 2016 I had a good paying job in the city. Had the $6,000 it cost me to take the forced air electric furnance out, and put in a more wallet friendly propane.

The Carbon tax on that $2,600. Give or take a few bucks $124.00
The HST tax on that $2,600. Give or take $330 of it.



Lol, you just have zero appreciation for how spoiled and pamperred you are G.

I have absolutely no qualms with trying to change the way we live. Wouldn't even mind some forms of taxes, etc.
But do it right, dont hit the very people that can least afford it. And, take into account the fact many don't have cheaper alternatives.

Road tolls should be a no brainer....But dont want a bunch of people to whinge....too many votes to be lost.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Wait until you get the O'Toole carbon tax.

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There's zero issue with addressing climate change. There is issue with Trudeau making promised in Paris that he can't keep, handing them billions of our money, which ZERO will go to actually address our own carbon emissions, taxing us on carbon consumption where we have no choice (what should I do, put my furnace down to 14'C?? I already have a high efficiency furnace, and insulated to the sky on my house, all energy start windows, etc) ... WHAT the bloody heck should I do??) And GET THIS ... here's the kicker ... show me HOW that carbon tax has led to a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in Canada? I'm waiting ... TRUDEAU's SYSTEM IS BROKEN .... he's nothing but a fraud.