Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

The Supreme court as well Terry.

If we look at how much money TPS and others, including the RCMP for the Gangs/Drugs and OC units, have received in recent years. It begs the questions.
1) Not enough $?
2) Not managed well enough?

Their intelligence and more, should be second to none.

Any or most street cops will often say "we can only do so much". If our revolving door justice system turns career criminals loose ( after 1/3rd, etc, etc..Nothing boots on the street can do about that. If Crowns are plea bargaining things away ( nothing the boots on the ground can do about that either).

Guess the question to put to Tory and legislators is whether or not they actually want results that make streets safer.
Not sure what exactly New York did back in the 80s/90s, but I imagine it was a combination of things.

Caught Dec 23, with a sack of guns over his back, could they have caught Santa? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...ebec-1.3915185

Likely out in 11 months and legal gun owners will be demonized and blamed for the downfall of society. After all you KNOW he was "just starting to turn his life around".
I thought the police brass said Gang guns are locally sourced?

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Originally Posted by skypilot

I thought the police brass said Gang guns are locally sourced?

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Police brass did not say that. Nobody said that.

Police brass have said that criminals are getting a greater proportion of their guns from domestic sources than they have in the past.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Police brass did not say that. Nobody said that.

Police brass have said that criminals are getting a greater proportion of their guns from domestic sources than they have in the past.

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I'll bet they won't define "greater proportion". What does that mean? Instead of 1%,it's 1.5%? It's a ridiculous statement that means nothing without facts to back it up,just more hot air rhetoric.

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I'll bet they won't define "greater proportion". What does that mean? Instead of 1%,it's 1.5%? It's a ridiculous statement that means nothing without facts to back it up,just more hot air rhetoric.

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Actually, they have defined it. In Toronto, they say it is now 50%, where in past years it was as low as 20%.

The usual issues exist re exactly how the number is derived, what is included, and what is not, but the trend does appear to be real. This is not just hot air.

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Tory did and yes the Police chief did say that.

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Originally Posted by welsh

Police brass did not say that. Nobody said that.

Police brass have said that criminals are getting a greater proportion of their guns from domestic sources than they have in the past.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Tory did and yes the Police chief did say that.

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The OP is here and reads as follows about this figure:

"Tory blames the spike in gun violence on the fact that there are more illegal firearms on the streets. Some 50 per cent of those guns are smuggled across the U.S. border, Tory said, while the other 50 per cent are domestic firearms making their way into criminal hands.
The mayor said there's an "obvious gap" in the government's oversight of those guns."

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Tory did and yes the Police chief did say that.

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Nope.

CBC: "These guns, while acquired legally, are increasingly turning up in criminal investigations, according to the Tory. [sic]"

Star: "This “obvious gap” needs to be addressed as legally purchased Canadian guns are turning up in criminal investigations with greater frequency, Tory writes."

If you believe that these quotes mean Tory said "Gang guns are locally sourced," then you just failed a functional literacy test.

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The Supreme court as well Terry.

If we look at how much money TPS and others, including the RCMP for the Gangs/Drugs and OC units, have received in recent years. It begs the questions.
1) Not enough $?
2) Not managed well enough?

Their intelligence and more, should be second to none.

Any or most street cops will often say "we can only do so much". If our revolving door justice system turns career criminals loose ( after 1/3rd, etc, etc..Nothing boots on the street can do about that. If Crowns are plea bargaining things away ( nothing the boots on the ground can do about that either).

Guess the question to put to Tory and legislators is whether or not they actually want results that make streets safer.
Not sure what exactly New York did back in the 80s/90s, but I imagine it was a combination of things.

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The revolving door has been going on for so long, small things people do not even notice cause the system to break down. For instance Crown Attorney,s change hats many times in a career. One month they may be a Crown and the next they revert back to defense lawyers.Imagine what that does to sentencing and especially when the defense is in front of an old partner in their law firm who might be the Judge.

For myself I would like to see Crown Attorneys paid the going rate of a good defense lawyer and they are Crown,s for life. Judges should not be politically appointed.

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Actually, they have defined it. In Toronto, they say it is now 50%, where in past years it was as low as 20%.

The usual issues exist re exactly how the number is derived, what is included, and what is not, but the trend does appear to be real. This is not just hot air.

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I'm having a rough time wrapping my head around that 50% of guns used in violent crime were stolen from lawful owners in Canada. With the very low level of lawful handgun ownership in this country,that defies all logic. For that to be accurate,every firearm owner would be under siege in our homes. I'm not buying into that for one second.