Private Property blocking access to public land

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Originally Posted by dean.f

I'm curious, if a lake is large enough that the surrounding property has a road allowance crossing through and intersecting the lake, wouldn't there be public access via that allowance? I'm not sure how that works with unorganized townships.

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That's correct. This is a subject near and dear to me. My pet peeve is outfitters who try to trick others into believing they own a lake and use tactics to browbeat and bully others who are accessing the crown areas. Unless the outfitter owns every square inch around the lake,they can never deny access. Even if they do,nothing stops someone from dropping onto the lake from the air or from accessing by water. Smart outfitters know when to keep their yaps shut and not draw attention to themselves. There's lots of business to go around,notwithstanding current Covid 19 restrictions. There's really no reason to be an arsehole.

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Originally Posted by blasted_saber

So.......the guy doesn't want trespassers (liability?) and his cottage is burnt to the ground. Now things are back to "normal"? How is this acceptable? He bought the property. Now he's been bullied into not enjoying it. The type of people who burn down cottages probably deserved whatever caused him to be an "arse" to them in the first place.

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Not condoning it, but the area up this way is much, much different than the Muskoka's. Unorganised township, somewhat remote and there are a few who live there that won't put up with attitude from outsiders. Make friends and they will be your friend. Treat them like hillbillies and they will be hillbillies in the worst possible way that will make your life miserable?
We're seeing more and more of the southern attitude folks buying up parcels of land and then treating the locals with "attitude". Wrong way to treat your neighbours who were raised being friendly and helpful to all around them.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I don't think there was an insinuation that the Locals burnt it to the ground....

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Lightning I guess. Or mice chewed the wires

Unless you have an easement or permission to cross private property, your trespassing.
Many people purchase small lots of land surrounded by crown land for the purpose of accessing the crown land.

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Originally Posted by dean.f

I'm curious, if a lake is large enough that the surrounding property has a road allowance crossing through and intersecting the lake, wouldn't there be public access via that allowance? I'm not sure how that works with unorganized townships.

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Yep.

I worked for a surveyor for a while. A wealthy guy would often hire us to mark out these road allowances so he would know exactly how to access lakes for fishing

I am on a small lake with access to it via a road allowance, the original deed had 500feet frontage but was lost over the years.

Anyway the entire land base around the Lake is privately owned but at the top is a 50 acre parcel of Crown land that comes within 200 feet of the Lake. The original owner of the Lake and land a nice old WW2 veteran from Toronto always let locals
come onto the Lake to fish and the local's mostly land owners to the north were always pretty respectful and all was good.

Fast forward to today and there is now a well worn ATV road into the lake and the one or two local's who used to store a
couple of 12 foot boats at the top of the lake are now joined by SIX more parked boats. These boats are now left year upon year near the shore, with assorted paddles, fishing line and other garbage. Last year there was a tractor driven down to the
Lake and parked while a couple of guys went fishing.

So the new land owner has let this go even although he complains to me and will not cut off the people either parking or fishing, which is OK with me as I don't own the land.

His son however is younger and a bit more possessive and I can see him eventually cutting off access.

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Originally Posted by canadaman30

Unless you have an easement or permission to cross private property, your trespassing.
Many people purchase small lots of land surrounded by crown land for the purpose of accessing the crown land.

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Back in the old days, the way land was deeded that if you did not work the land, squatter rules would apply. If you built and maintained a road allowance on private property and it wasn't challenged by the owner for something like 10 yrs, it became yours.

I don't think you can do that any more, at least not in Ont.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Back in the old days, the way land was deeded that if you did not work the land, squatter rules would apply. If you built and maintained a road allowance on private property and it wasn't challenged by the owner for something like 10 yrs, it became yours.

I don't think you can do that any more, at least not in Ont.

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Things can get really chitty LOL

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ouse-concludes

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Back in the old days, the way land was deeded that if you did not work the land, squatter rules would apply. If you built and maintained a road allowance on private property and it wasn't challenged by the owner for something like 10 yrs, it became yours.

I don't think you can do that any more, at least not in Ont.

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My neighbor to the north was a big chunk of (family) land with about 50 acres smack dab in the middle.
Different siblings owning properties, family dispute ended with access denied.
Buy a chopper fellow was his option

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

That's correct. This is a subject near and dear to me. My pet peeve is outfitters who try to trick others into believing they own a lake and use tactics to browbeat and bully others who are accessing the crown areas. Unless the outfitter owns every square inch around the lake,they can never deny access. Even if they do,nothing stops someone from dropping onto the lake from the air or from accessing by water. Smart outfitters know when to keep their yaps shut and not draw attention to themselves. There's lots of business to go around,notwithstanding current Covid 19 restrictions. There's really no reason to be an arsehole.

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there are properties that their property line boundaries are actually part of a waterway. its really stupid to think of, and even stupider to try to enforce but it is true. i guess it happens over time as a waterway becomes bigger and tide keeps pushing?

ive come upon a few properties that the boundary lines are actually part of or consisting of part of a lake.