Where hunters should aim in discussing Bill C-21 on gun control

Sport shooters should be able to enjoy any firearm they want at the range.
A 243 or 5.56 in the hands of someone who is intent on causing harm to others is just as lethal regardless if it is black or wood in colour.
The same goes with handguns. Heck, I admire the Americans being able to shoot 50 cal machine guns.

The real reason for the bans is that the government is terrified of a population uprising and needs to disarm.
The Liberals are big with their mouths all the while imposing restrictions on civil liberties.

CSIS is right when they say our government has been infiltrated by globalists with an agenda.
Insinuating that this is a hunting and fishing forum and that firearms of black colour should not be discussed is insulting to the members. It smacks of censorship. On occasion, when I go to a shooting range and see someone banging off rounds in a black gun I don't get upset. That is their hobby and respect it just like they respect mine. Brothers in a shooting fraternity.

You claim to be a member of a shooting club. Many of the members must hate your presence if you so adamantly support banning of firearms like you do on this forum. Or, do you simply do it hiding behind a computer screen?

I guess some of us feel that coming onto a "hunting forum" and then running around wanting all of us to back a hobby that has nothing to do with hunting is a big ask. Maybe there are other forums better suited to promote your needs and wants.
The main break down I see here is that some folk's see gun ownership as a God given right and others believe its a priveledge extended to us by the government of the day, I have noted over the years that the Conservative government has not availed itself even with back to back majorities to enshrine gun ownership as a RIGHT, how come?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I guess some of us feel that coming onto a "hunting forum" and then running around wanting all of us to back a hobby that has nothing to do with hunting is a big ask. Maybe there are other forums better suited to promote your needs and wants.
The main break down I see here is that some folk's see gun ownership as a God given right and others believe its a priveledge extended to us by the government of the day, I have noted over the years that the Conservative government has not availed itself even with back to back majorities to enshrine gun ownership as a RIGHT, how come?

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Wait, so a semi auto rifle or shotgun has nothing to do with hunting? That is one of the dumbest things I have read, even from you.

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Originally Posted by impact

Sport shooters should be able to enjoy any firearm they want at the range.
A 243 or 5.56 in the hands of someone who is intent on causing harm to others is just as lethal regardless if it is black or wood in colour.
The same goes with handguns. Heck, I admire the Americans being able to shoot 50 cal machine guns.

The real reason for the bans is that the government is terrified of a population uprising and needs to disarm.
The Liberals are big with their mouths all the while imposing restrictions on civil liberties.

CSIS is right when they say our government has been infiltrated by globalists with an agenda.
Insinuating that this is a hunting and fishing forum and that firearms of black colour should not be discussed is insulting to the members. It smacks of censorship. On occasion, when I go to a shooting range and see someone banging off rounds in a black gun I don't get upset. That is their hobby and respect it just like they respect mine. Brothers in a shooting fraternity.

You claim to be a member of a shooting club. Many of the members must hate your presence if you so adamantly support banning of firearms like you do on this forum. Or, do you simply do it hiding behind a computer screen?

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Don't confuse apathy with opposition or support for a ban. It's hardly a surprise that people wouldn't particularly care if a gun that they don't own, have no interest in or use for is banned. Just because someone isn't fulminating in outrage does not mean they "adamantly support banning of firearms."

And the point remains that if you want to recruit a gun owner to support your cause don't yap off about "brothers in a shooting fraternity" and them proceed to insult them and call them names.

Divide and concur is what our corrupt dictatorship is doing with firearms owners.

Its always great when you have one group of firearms owners not supporting each other. Hunters not supporting sport shooters claiming they are weekend warriors that should choose a different hobby is exactly how divide and concur works.

The sport shooters will laugh when your bar or semi duck guns are banned in the name of public safety. Really why would half of gun owners (sport shooters) support hunters that continue to throw them under the bus. Some people are far to blind to see the big picture

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

Don't confuse apathy with opposition or support for a ban. It's hardly a surprise that people wouldn't particularly care if a gun that they don't own, have no interest in or use for is banned. Just because someone isn't fulminating in outrage does not mean they "adamantly support banning of firearms."

And the point remains that if you want to recruit a gun owner to support your cause don't yap off about "brothers in a shooting fraternity" and them proceed to insult them and call them names.

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If you read Gilroy's posts he is pro gun ban on things that he does not deem to be hunting arms, so that part of it is true.

Remember, bolt action hunting rifles were banned too. Pellet pistols are being banned. Airsoft guns are being banned. Low powered pellet rifles are being banned. Bolt action black rifles are banned. Post 1898 muzzle loading fowler shotguns have been banned (over 20mm diameter). This is not a ban on the AR-15, this is a ban on whatever the heck the JT government decides to ban. They are even banning some 22LR rifles, how many people are out there doing mass shootings with a 22?

I guess by some peoples logic on here it would be OK if the government limited public & private ranges to Hunting guns only...and they provided the list of what was allowed.

I still find it amazing that some people think these guns are something more powerful because they look military. Gilroy if I put a military stock on my gun does it get super powers?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I guess some of us feel that coming onto a "hunting forum"

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Since when was this a 'Hunting' forum Gilly...it's hosted by the Ontario OUT of DOORS Community and the forum we are having this discussion in the Firearms and Ammo section.

A firearm is a tool plain and simple. I'd hunt with my AR-15 if allowed. Everyone is aware that Euegen stoner designed the AR-15 to be a lightweight modern hunting and sporting carbine. That's not the exact quote from his patent but it's close enough.

Calling people Fudds doesn't help and ignoring the problem isn't going to help either. The eventual goal of the liberal party is to completely disarm the population. It's right there in their mission statement. You may be fine but the next generation of hunters will not be if this is allowed to move forward unchecked. Many people see this as a cessation of a hobby that they don't participate in but that isn't where the buck stops. Today they want all the "black" rifles. Next they will want the "high powered military sniper rifles" gone. That's your hunting rig. That is their code word for bolt action rifle with and optic in it. The ostrich defense only works until the lions start to bite your bottom.