Retail carnage

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Originally Posted by Fox

It is not the restaurant, it is that people are using going out to dinner as a way to congregate. The problem is the people going to the restaurants to meet friends, using the restaurant to facilitate congregation amongst people who do not live in the same household, so they had to close everything.

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Not really ... that is just dreaming stuff up. When you sign in at a restaurant, you are required to show identification ... and only sit at a table with members of the same household.

So, if these rules were followed (and even enforced) ... why do you need to shut down the restaurants.

Even when the rules were broken, what data do you have that suggests restaurants were major outbreak mechanisms ... I'm going to guess, it's just guesswork.

Here's what I think ... there is a principle being followed by government, that if you stop mobility (all forms of it), you stop COVID.
What the proponents of this strategy fail to see is that is likely cutting out all of a body's internal organs, because there is cancer in one location (let's pick a lung). In other words, it is far too aggressive, and ends up destroying the body ... just like this stupid strategy has destroyed our economy and many, many small businesses that will not re-open, because the money is BURNED.

Here's what else I think ... I think government is being lazy. It's easy to just shut down everything ... you don't have to do anything other than create a blanket law .... very easy to enforce too. But again, that comes at a HUGE cost to the economy. A smart, hard working government will determine the mechanisms of transmission (where/how) and then come up with solutions (design changes, policy changes) to stop those transmissions on a case by case basis ... NOT shut down every business from the northern boarders of Ontario to the south, east and west ... it's absurd, and it's LAZY.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

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Here's what else I think ... I think government is being lazy. It's easy to just shut down everything ... you don't have to do anything other than create a blanket law .... very easy to enforce too. But again, that comes at a HUGE cost to the economy. A smart, hard working government will determine the mechanisms of transmission (where/how) and then come up with solutions (design changes, policy changes) to stop those transmissions on a case by case basis ... NOT shut down every business from the northern boarders of Ontario to the south, east and west ... it's absurd, and it's LAZY.

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X2-our Governemnt in all levels(yes-even Municipalities)do not really do their jobs to mitigate/lessen the COVID blow.

"Political correctness"-laziness-fear of not being re elected -lack of care for many people-even opportunisam.
Take Your pick-end result is the same-many needlessly suffer.


But hey -we shall not worry- J T and Dougie will be juts fine

Which begs the question of why “we” haven’t had to step up, and or compensate those paying prices....

And subsequent to that.
Who are the proponents. And who aren’t speaking out.


Nimbyism at its finest.

And while efforts to compensate etc are pathetic, we also have mountains of new debt, that we won’t pay for either. Our grandchildren, who are decades away from voting will.

anyone but me...

Have you had enough of CONS/LIBS..ready for Libertarians who will not lock you down, but instead leave that decision up to the individual business owners to assess risk for themselves.

The lockdowns and data are flawed, and is being used to kill small businesses across Canada.

Doug Ford - IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE - never has been...but I told you that in 2018.

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Originally Posted by line052

Have you had enough of CONS/LIBS..ready for Libertarians who will not lock you down, but instead leave that decision up to the individual business owners to assess risk for themselves.

The lockdowns and data are flawed, and is being used to kill small businesses across Canada.

Doug Ford - IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE - never has been...but I told you that in 2018.

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I hope the libertarian party has enough $ in its coffers - if you guys wait till an election is called and spend some serious dough advertising your party and "speak to the masses" I think now more than ever you have a great chance to gain a foothold in Canadian politics. And we need it now more than ever - this thread is proof positive that all our current political parties (federal and provincial do not care about us, only about getting re-elected)

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Originally Posted by kokes

I hope the libertarian party has enough $ in its coffers - if you guys wait till an election is called and spend some serious dough advertising your party and "speak to the masses" I think now more than ever you have a great chance to gain a foothold in Canadian politics. And we need it now more than ever - this thread is proof positive that all our current political parties (federal and provincial do not care about us, only about getting re-elected)

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That is the issue........If you want the Liberals out your only choice is Conservative. NDP is really a fringe party as all the other ones out there. Hell during the last elections the NDP could not even read a financial document properly so how can you trust them to develop one!

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Originally Posted by line052

Have you had enough of CONS/LIBS..ready for Libertarians who will not lock you down, but instead leave that decision up to the individual business owners to assess risk for themselves.

The lockdowns and data are flawed, and is being used to kill small businesses across Canada.

Doug Ford - IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE - never has been...but I told you that in 2018.

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No offence Mark but it is all about optics and visibility.

Maxime Bernier is attending rallies across Canada supporting the people most affected by walking shoulder to shoulder with them.
Accordingly is popular support is growing day by day across Canada.

Having a similar platform as the Libertarians the PPC are surging ahead.
Sometimes all it takes are boots on the ground.

We had a 25K in the 2018 election budget total to spend. The bank account had 35K in it total. We bought media ads in papers, we bought air time on radio. We can only spend what we had and keep the annualized costs in the bank.

We ran 117 candidates out of 124..and you think the MSM would publish this, celebrate or even write a story on it. NOT a peep in this huge undertaking completed by the 5th largest party in the province. We ran more then Libs, NDP or Greens in 2018..nothing in the media at all.

So that is the challenge in order to compete we need money. The 4 main parties get approx 4.3M from taxpayers, before they even raise a dime locally. It is a struggle, but, we accept doing something is far better then doing nothing,

Mark

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Originally Posted by kokes

I hope the libertarian party has enough $ in its coffers - if you guys wait till an election is called and spend some serious dough advertising your party and "speak to the masses" I think now more than ever you have a great chance to gain a foothold in Canadian politics. And we need it now more than ever - this thread is proof positive that all our current political parties (federal and provincial do not care about us, only about getting re-elected)

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Oh I agree, and he is still running on the 650K raised during last election. So he is leaps and bounds ahead of us on the federal level. I had met with Max 3 times and considered a run in Barrhaven during the election.

He is doing what he needs to do, as most of our leaders have jobs and responsibilities and are by default NOT independently wealthy like Max - I am happy for the PPC - because anything is better then current 4 main parties (+BLOC)

Our provincial leader was out every weekend during the first 9 months of lockdowns in TO, got many fines, lead many rallies..but again no traction from media. He has since stepped down (pers issues), and, we have interim leader right now, I am back as Vice Chairman. There will be a Leadership Contest in Nov 2021, which I will be joining again (I lost by 2 votes in 2019), and hoping to take us into 2022 Election as the leader of the Ontario Libertarian Party.

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Originally Posted by impact

No offence Mark but it is all about optics and visibility.

Maxime Bernier is attending rallies across Canada supporting the people most affected by walking shoulder to shoulder with them.
Accordingly is popular support is growing day by day across Canada.

Having a similar platform as the Libertarians the PPC are surging ahead.
Sometimes all it takes are boots on the ground.

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Originally Posted by impact

No offence Mark but it is all about optics and visibility.

Maxime Bernier is attending rallies across Canada supporting the people most affected by walking shoulder to shoulder with them.
Accordingly is popular support is growing day by day across Canada.

Having a similar platform as the Libertarians the PPC are surging ahead.
Sometimes all it takes are boots on the ground.

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Neither the PPC or Libertarians have a chance to even get a seat in the next Federal election and a vote for them is just helping Justlied, simple, plain, full stop! If they want a voice at the table they should do like the greens did, focus on one riding and get in and show that unlike the greens they can be adults at the table.

Doug isn't Wynne or Lib.... that is a plus in my book.... that doesn't mean he is the best but just better than the options.

As for the carnage, signed up for TruLocal got the delivery awhile back, very happy with the quality and some interesting meat selections (buffalo and lamb burgers are very good and different) and frozen options like strawberries and mango and kale. Local businesses should be supported if the price difference isn't going to hurt the buyer.... often very little diff.