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Originally Posted by greatwhite

It wouldn't matter now, even if some diseased did kill them and they were buried that way it will be considered the same thing.

People all need to move on from this. We need to learn from the pass and we are but move on in life.

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It really doesn’t matter what these youth succumb to.. The crime, in this case, was making an effort to assimilate them, by cutting them off from their families and the norms of their indigenous culture in order to convert them to a superior white European culture. For all intent and purpose they were being subject to a form of conversion therapy. In today’s world when conversion type therapy is aimed at members of the .LGBTQ2 community .They are toying with reforms of such conversion therapies being subject to the criminal code..

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

None of us were around when this assimilation started and consequently, we don't know all the reasons it was being done. History suggests there many cases where children were starving, were mistreated in their homes, suffered diseases that went untreated all while in their homes. Back in the day their lifespan was something like 40 years of age? The original intent of removing them from this environment for their own protection was likely the best solution at the time but obviously the situation deteriorated once in the schools. It is for this that the government and churches of the day should be held accountable. The question is how??
Like others have said I don't feel one bit responsible for this history and I will not apologize nor do I want todays government apologizing on my behalf. Regardless of the outcome of this story, we'll still be apologizing 100 years from now for percieved land grabs, for the reserve system, for their poor water etc etc etc.

Pretty damning report.

Upon taking the job, Bryce began (in his words) the “systematic collection of health statistics of the several hundred Indian bands scattered over Canada.”1 In 1907, Bryce released a report drawing attention to the fact that, according to his surveys, roughly one-quarter of all Indigenous children attending residential schools had died from tuberculosis: “of a total of 1537 pupils reported upon nearly 25 per cent are dead, of one school with an absolutely accurate statement, 69 per cent of ex-pupils are dead, and that everywhere the almost invariable cause of death given is tuberculosis.”2,3

Bryce’s report named poor ventilation and poor standards of care from school officials as the primary cause of deaths as opposed to the racial susceptibility hypothesis rather popular at the time. Put simply, Bryce “exposed the genocidal practices of government-sanctioned residential schools, where healthy Indigenous children were purposefully exposed to children infected with TB, spreading the disease through the school population.”4

Importantly, it was not only the Canadian government but the broader population that learned of Bryce’s

Which the govt of the time also ignored. And further ordered him to stop.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/9/E223

Do I feel responsible?
No

Just as I don’t feel responsible for a few thousand dead students in Tiananmen Square.

But with respect to FNs and residential schools. Since when have any of us, been ok with forcibly taking children from their homes, and treating them as less than human..

https://i.imgur.com/TDpUk6e.jpg

The snowflakes are sure bent out of shape today..the Pope declined to apologize. Now they don't know what to do HaHa.

It's been done in the past and it's been accepted. The call to do it again is just a diversionary tactic to take away from the fact this government after 8 yrs has none little to nothing to achieve the promises made for reconciliation. The Village Idiot, by blaming the church, is only trying to 'deflect' from his dismal performance.


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What then about the pope? In 2009, after years of sincere dialogue between Catholic bishops in Canada and Indigenous representatives, Pope Benedict XVI received a delegation at the Vatican. It was led by Phil Fontaine, then-national chief of the Assembly of First Nations. It was a historic moment of contrition, sorrow, reconciliation and healing. Fontaine’s address on that occasion is one of the most poignant and illuminating on the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Indigenous peoples of Canada.

At the time, it was considered the “final piece” of a nearly 20-year process of reconciliation that “closed the book,” in the words of Fontaine. So all the parties were confident that a good measure of healing had taken place: apologies were offered, and apologies were accepted.

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in fact this specific school:

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The various religious orders that ran the schools also issued apologies. The Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, which ran the Kamloops Indian Residential School, included this in their detailed four-page apology, which was issued in 1991:

“We apologize for the part we played in the cultural, ethnic, linguistic and religious imperialism that was part of the mentality with which the peoples of Europe first met the Aboriginal peoples and which consistently has lurked behind the way the Native peoples of Canada have been treated by civil governments and by the churches.”

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Then there are religious orders, like the Oblates and the Jesuits — who also issued an apology to Indigenous peoples in 1991 — which are not territorial. All of the dioceses that had residential schools and the religious orders involved apologized decades ago, and those expressions have been renewed in recent days.

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https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ray...ential-schools

Yes, what Bryce implied was the schools were structurally hell holes, which resulted in the relentless spread of diseases. Aside from that fact, they were institutions of indoctrination, in which indigenous children were isolate from their own cultures, in order to convert them into the mind set of a superior white European culture. To impose their will upon these children the Canadian government used the Indian Act to remove them from their indigenous culture and force them into these institutions, to impose upon them what can only be viewed as a form of cultural genocide. All those unmarked graves around the Kamloops school simply provide evidence of the unfeeling extent to which these atrocities were carried out. The founding fathers believing, the only hope they had of assimilate the indigenous peoples was to focus upon their children in isolation from the indigenous culture, into which they were born. In the world of today, what they attempt to do was criminal, and serves as an example of the deprivation of human rights, with respect to this lands indigenous people.

You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Atrocities have been committed for eons and orphanages all throughout Europe and the world were always bad very bad. Even today the ball drops often with CAS. Who is really to blame, I'm not nor will I accept the blame. It's something that happened and we can only learn from it but we cannot blame the people of today.

I have Irish blood the Irish did much of the building of the Rideau Canal and many died they were treated like garbage and often were kicked into the river if they died while working so where is my apology?

We can continue this blame game or we can reconcile but if anyone thinks I should pay the price sorry I am not.

Atrocities have been committed farther back then 1000 years, by all people on this earth.

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Well said. The MSM unnecessarily inflames racial/ethnic tensions because as they say "if it bleeds, it leads"

My take, based on the tone of all the reporting, is just more anti-Christian rhetoric. It's been quite trendy to blame Christianity (and by association, white males) for all the evils in the world for many years now.

There is a giant tornado of misinformation circling around everyone's head and no one corrects it.

"What about the crusades, huh?! " -- They were a response to 100's of years of Jihad being waged in Europe. Raping, theft and enslaving young men in the Muslim armies (which is why their numbers were so high)

"What about Columbus?! He committed mass genocide!" -- Columbus was a devout Catholic who led his men in prayer and gave explicit instructions to not harm the native people's they came into contact with. Unfortunately they didn't always listen, but he in no way led a genocidal expedition based on seething racial hatred. The concept of race didn't really even exist back then. Columbus & Cortes basically created an entire new race of people, called Latinos, who are some of the most devoutly religious to this day.

"What about slavery?!" -- Care to be more specific? Are you referring to Muslim pirates who ransacked the Coasts of Southern Europe for centuries & enslaved local inhabitants? That's why the Marines were invented...to combat these scumbags. Or do you mean the caste system in India, which is a sickening combination of usury & biological determinism that people can never escape from, no matter how hard they work? Do you mean the Irish indentured servants, who worked under dreadful conditions and died of heat stroke. Do you mean the Eastern Europeans (Slavs), where the word slave actually comes from? Are you referring to child sex trafficking and sex slaves all throughout Asia and Africa? Perhaps you mean the Islamic slave trade, where African men were routinely castrated & killed (which is why there are so few blacks in the middle East today). Wait a second, I think you must be referring to the enslaving of other indigenous tribes here in North America. Their treatment of rival tribe members was extremely brutal.

Oh you mean the Atlantic slave trade, which wasn't a crime of racism or religion, but rather a crime of opportunity. A slave trade enabled by tribe leaders selling their current slaves from rival tribes to the Europeans. This of course often financed by wealthy Jewish merchants forever & conveniently remaining guilt-free in the background to this day. Why the hyper-focus on this one chapter in the history of human slavery? Because it was mainly perpetuated by European Christians? Guess what...that is the exact same group of people who ended slavery in the West as well. You're welcome!

In my opinion, it's this exact same rhetoric that possesses people to remove every John A. Macdonald statue, rename Universities, change street names, etc. What will this actually achieve, except a temporary satiation of the woke mob before they move on to their next target?

Why does it always only go in one direction, with one identifiable group being punished by having their culture erased for the sins of their past?
Do we do this to Turkey? The Ottoman empire was one of the largest and most brutal in history. Do we say to them they must be shamed and have their culture erased? No we don't. Trudeau passes a bill designed solely to protect Muslims from criticism and hurt feelings.

Any slight questioning or criticism is treated as a hate crime and investigated. Meanwhile a statue of the virgin Mary was vandalized and decapitated at a Toronto church last summer and Trudeau says he "stands with the Lebanese community" LOL. No mention of Christianity or Christian persecution.

Madness.

Anyhow, I'll end the rant with a great book recommendation.
War Before Civilization: The Myth of The Peaceful Savage -- https://www.amazon.ca/War-before-Civ.../dp/0195119126

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Atrocities have been committed for eons and orphanages all throughout Europe and the world were always bad very bad. Even today the ball drops often with CAS. Who is really to blame, I'm not nor will I accept the blame. It's something that happened and we can only learn from it but we cannot blame the people of today.

I have Irish blood the Irish did much of the building of the Rideau Canal and many died they were treated like garbage and often were kicked into the river if they died while working so where is my apology?

We can continue this blame game or we can reconcile but if anyone thinks I should pay the price sorry I am not.

Atrocities have been committed farther back then 1000 years, by all people on this earth.

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Amen! Let’s stop blaming people from specific backgrounds who had nothing to do with these atrocities that have happened in the past. We definitely have to acknowledge what happened and reconcile, learn from the past and move on to make a better society for everyone.


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Originally Posted by smitty55

Left wing media was real quick to jump on the mass burial site bandwagon. I've seen reports from a band chief that specify that it was in fact not a mass burial grave. Still bad news regardless.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Yes the terminology was purposely used to inflame the rhetoric.

It was clarified by an Indigenous leader that they are 'unmarked' graves sites, to bury children that died at the school from illness, diseases, accidental and possibly nefarious means.

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This article gives a more unbiased report about how this story broke. The indigenous leaders never referred to this as a mass grave, and were aware that students were buried in unmarked graves.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ter...ept-forgetting