COVID-19 is drastically reduced

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Originally Posted by impact

Certainly looks like covid behaves like a regular flu season to me. So why all the lockdowns?

"The risk of contracting a second case of COVID-19 is drastically reduced for up to 10 months following a first infection, according to a study of more than 2,000 home care residents and staff"

“It’s really good news that natural infection protects against reinfection in this time period,” said Maria Krutikovl, the study’s lead author from University College London in England. “The risk of being infected twice appears to be very low. The fact that prior COVID-19 infection gives a high level of protection to care home residents is also reassuring, given past concerns that these individuals might have less robust immune responses associated with increasing age."

https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/study-of-covid-reinfection-risk-is-really-good-news

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Because this was never about protecting people's health. You can't trust the numbers...so many false positives and they can manipulate the tests to suit whatever agenda they choose. Now it looks like we will need 15 different booster shots, just to be able to leave our homes.

Why are many states completely open with no cases? And no it's not "because they are more vaccinated" as many will claim...they opened long before that. Why can politicians dine together, galavant around the globe and gather mask-free? Meanwhile everyone who has had 2 vaccine doses still can't do much of anything...so what was the incentive? The goal posts keep shifting and everyone has very short memories.

Based on what factual, empirical data can you claim it’s not because of vaccines…

Fairy dust?

I don’t get it.
Despite virtually the entire world, read that again. The entire worldseeing drastic fall offs (now and during winter months) after starting to vax the population….Just because some few believe otherwise, doesn’t make it so….and it would go a long way, a long long way, if people could just a few countries, that aren’t showing/experiencing the same. Or even just 2 or 3 countries like Sweden. Who, didn’t/aren’t and can show better.
they don’t exist..

it’s like “arguing” the world is flat, but I got nothing. Or climate change, when the vast vast vast majority of experts….Say it real ( man made vs natural a separate debate).

Quasi related.
NYC is almost back to “normal”. Office towers on Wall Street about to reopen thanks to close to 70% being vaccinated.

No doubt, the evil, far right, captilist CEOs are in on all the fake news, falsifying data, gullible sheep too.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/inves...ice/index.html

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Originally Posted by Bushwhacker

Why are many states completely open with no cases? And no it's not "because they are more vaccinated" as many will claim...they opened long before that.

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Well that isn't actually true. They had 14,000 cases on June 16th, but that is drastically down from the peak of their 3rd wave, which they had before we did. And they were significantly more vaccinated than Canada when their 3rd wave started to reduce. Whether you believe in the vaccine or not, there actually is a relationship between US covid case decline and vaccine's administered, as we are now seeing in Canada.

Perhaps that isn't the reason as some believe, but they do correspond despite your claim that they don't. Perhaps just a fluke, but the relationship is there, so claiming its not isn't helping your claims.

Add on top of that the seasonal decline in these types of things, which being more southern they have earlier than Canada in a general sense, it seems pretty logical to me that they saw a decline before we did.

I get it that you don't believe in the entire thing, and that's cool, I'm not trying to change your mind, but to claim they manipulate data to match their agenda, then use false claims to support your agenda seems a bit hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by JBen

Quasi related.
NYC is almost back to “normal”. Office towers on Wall Street about to reopen thanks to close to 70% being vaccinated.

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If you look at the vaccine tracker New York is only 58 % first dose where Ontario it up to 66%

The entire population of the USA is only 53 percent first dose. Canada is up 66 by I just read something that said Canada was up over 70.

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Fishfood.
You said much the same a week or two ago. And I had to point out the most important figure is the percentage fully vaccinated. Did you ignore that?

Yes, there are fewer people with one dose there. That’s because unlike us, they are focused on getting people fully vaxxed and have the supply.

Vaccine tracker NY
1 dose: 58% (a little less than us)

TWO doses: 51% way way way ahead of us.

Basically ONT and NY have 100 people and 100 needles.

Ont. giving everyone 1 shot.
New York. 50% two shots ( with 8% more getting 2nd dose in a week or two)

The difference is huge…astronomical..

As Fishhog said.
People can believe whatever they want. It would help, if there was something…other than just…

and for point of reference. Are the greedy CEOs of Bay streets banks and hedge funds demanding the towers be full again come Sept???

I won't deny that the vaccines help but who really needs it? What classifies as an emergency ? We shouldn't be pushing an experimental vaccine to the mass population when the mass population has 99.9 percent survival rate

Like mentioned before we can save 95 percent of the lives lost with just 20% of the population.

What I am not ok with is the short term study no pregnant women or breastfeeding women in the study or children under 18 but it's ok they can have the shot too.

How many meds get cancelled after they have been approved and put on the market ?

This vaccine has not yet been approved only an emergency use only meaning they can Skip past a bunch of steps to get it out the door faster. We are doing a big experiment and using the people as guinea pigs. Not cool .


If its going to save lives then that's cool but we need to look who needs them . About half the deaths came from less than 0.5 percent of the population. Long-term care homes were hit hard and there is less than 200 thousand living in long term care homes in Canada .

With 95 percent of the deaths coming from 60 plus . That is about 20 percent of the population with 5 % of the deaths coming from 80 percent of the population






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"In light of our findings that more than half of individuals with positive PCR test results are unlikely to have been infectious, RT-PCR test positivity should not be taken as an accurate measure of infectious SARS-CoV-2 incidence. Our results confirm the findings of others that the routine use of “positive” RT-PCR test results as the gold standard for assessing and controlling infectiousness fails to reflect the fact “that 50-75% of the time an individual is PCR positive, they are likely to be post-infectious”

"Asymptomatic individuals with positive RT-PCR test results have higher Ct values and a lower probability of being infectious than symptomatic individuals with positive results. Although Ct values have been shown to be inversely associated with viral load and infectivity, there is no international standardization across laboratories, rendering problematic the interpretation of RT-PCR tests when used as a tool for mass screening."

https://www.journalofinfection.com/a...265-6/fulltext

That kind of stuff is more subjective. Actually not unlike Climate Change stuff and what we can do about it, or do differently.

There is no way, short or antigen test, to know how much of the population has established natural immunity. If we look at Sweden……..they went that route, got punished, brought in SD and are now vaccinating people as fast as they can.

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Just 4% of the population has tested positive. If you ( not you specifically) argue false positives are why case counts are so high…then we should assume only about 2.5% of the population was positive.

Estimates for a symptomatic people range from 25% to 75/80%.

Based on 200 or 300 percent. Postives might be in the area of 10-15% of the population with natural immunity.

Many also think asymptomatic are responsible for a lot of the spread. Makes sense. Sick people stay home…:)

Well if only 2-3% of the pop has developed symptoms enough to get tested….can’t be that many asymptotatic host walking around :)

At the end of the day, there’s virtually nothing that supports vaccines aren’t responsible for drastic fall offs. A ton that is, does not the least of which is virtually the entire world seeing the same, despite widely ranging variables like weather/seasonal temps. Policies around Social distancing/lockdowns ( few, moderate, strict). Social patterns, economic differences (rich or poor countries), population density and more….basically countless variables.

A common denominator.
Drastic falloffs after vaccines…

J Ben how many are actually recorded ?

I was Ill back in 2019 many people got the same thing not one of them has had it since or have had covid.

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I do know a few that has had covid but not of the people that may have thought they had it from the beginning. In tested March of last year.

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