Lockdowns killed more Canadians under 65 than COVID-19: Statscan

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

So the lives of 25,000+ people 65 and over who died aren't considered significant. Let your parents and grandparents know their lives don't matter.

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Apparently those death's gave or gives opportunities. That's what our government says. To our sick deranged government those death's gave opportunity.

Still haven't figured it out yet have you?
Not my words but the government's lol.




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Originally Posted by MikePal

That is only a 20% increase over a normal flu season (a far cry from the sensational title of 3.5 times) . That should never overwhelm a properly run Hospital system. Even if they were running at 80% capacity they should be able to absorb that without calling in the Military to set up the MUST Hosptial.

It was the same as the ICUs...Ottawa has something like 80 ICU beds across the city....they were crying they were being overwhelmed when there were 10 Covid ICU patients...why is that ?

It couldn't have been all that bad, even the Emergency overflow beds set up in some cities were barely used. There was no 'overrunning' of the hospitals except in the GTA where they don't have enough medical centers for that density of people. Especially in areas where there is greater obesity (Diabetes) rates and poor health are the norms.

edit add: Sorry ..you're not allowed to call them obese..they are racialized. :)

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The problem is they have been overwhelmed for years prior to the pandemic. The bigger problem is they did little to prepare for an increase of cases. The original lockdown was supposed to prepare for what's coming. They did nothing to very little.

Now onto wave 3and 4 Field hospitals sat empty then whine about flying patients to other places lol. Would of been faster to drive hehe lol.

We talked about this last year



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Originally Posted by impact

Waiting to see how our resident troll is going to try and spin this one.
Crimes against humanity!

"The consequences of government-enforced lockdowns killed more Canadians under the age of 65 than the COVID-19 virus itself, according to a report by Statistics Canada.
In a report titled Provisional death counts and excess mortality, the government agency reviewed the number of deaths between January 2020 to April 2021 and concluded that 5,535 Canadians under the age of 65 died because of “indirect consequences” due to the pandemic.
Over the same time period, 1380 Canadians in the same age group died because of COVID-19 itself."

https://tnc.news/2021/07/18/lockdown...d-19-statscan/

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail...10712b-eng.htm

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I would have thought you would have led with the line “ Canadians have been victims of some of the strictest public health orders in the world, rivalling communist countries like China and Cuba.”

One has to admire the spin by the right wing fringe propaganda machine that True North is.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Maybe they got my memo lol. I have been saying it a while now that almost 20 time's the deaths from opioids than covid 19 deaths under the age of 50.

My new stats this weekend suggest that more people are murdered every year than covid took under the age of 50.

Just over 600 homicides a year in Canada yet under that died in 18 months there was less than 600 covid deaths under the age of 50.


You have a higher chance of getting murdered in Canada than dying with covid. Under the age of 50.


Thanks for posting.

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In my mind dying from opioid was completely voluntary and not the result of anything or anyone but that person

All others who died get my sympathy whether from COVID or anything else that wasn’t voluntary Russian roulette

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

I would have thought you would have led with the line “ Canadians have been victims of some of the strictest public health orders in the world, rivalling communist countries like China and Cuba.”

One has to admire the spin by the right wing fringe propaganda machine that True North is.

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While not typically a fan of the Hysteria Impact likes to spread, his link from StatsCan is credible. Regardless of what tnc says the StatsCan numbers do not lie. More people under age 64 did in fact perish from causes other than COVID than would be expected. The only thing that changed in the period in question are the lock downs. Ergo attributing these excess deaths to factors caused by the lock downs is a reasonable assumption.

The million dollar question than becomes if there were no lockdowns how much would the number of deaths from COVID have increased? Would it be more than the number of excess deaths observed by StatsCan? No way to answer that accurately.

While I don’t usually agree with Badenoch’s take on things, I would have to ask - if a disease came along that disproportionately affected kids below the age of 5, would anyone be quoting similar statistics or would we all pitch in to save the kids ?

In one sense, ageism is a big of a problem as racism. A scientist might also say that’s nature before modern medicine and social welfare changed everything. Food for discussion.

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Originally Posted by Species8472

While not typically a fan of the Hysteria Impact likes to spread, his link from StatsCan is credible. Regardless of what tnc says the StatsCan numbers do not lie. More people under age 64 did in fact perish from causes other than COVID than would be expected. The only thing that changed in the period in question are the lock downs. Ergo attributing these excess deaths to factors caused by the lock downs is a reasonable assumption.

The million dollar question than becomes if there were no lockdowns how much would the number of deaths from COVID have increased? Would it be more than the number of excess deaths observed by StatsCan? No way to answer that accurately.

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I’m not arguing the Stats, just the spin. I know many on here like to compare Canada to Cuba, North Korea, China. I didn’t see that in the Statscan information.

The drug crisis and the correlation to the despair that many people had to face over the last year is a interesting read. Who knows, perhaps basic income might have had an effect on those numbers?

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

I’m not arguing the Stats, just the spin. I know many on here like to compare Canada to Cuba, North Korea, China. I didn’t see that in the Statscan information.

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I try to ignore spin and just look at facts but being human impedes that. It is human nature to spin any and all things to fit the narrative and agenda that one supports. The far left, the left, the middle, the right and the far right are all guilty of it as is every religion ever invented. Spin is meaningless and generally detracts from any type of meaningful discussion.

This also qualifies as spin to me:

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Originally Posted by Cameracutter

Who knows, perhaps basic income might have had an effect on those numbers?

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You are a proponent ideologically of basic income and as such you take the excess deaths and try to spin them so they might support basic income. What reality is that based in? Any facts to back that up or is it just an opportunity to push your idea that basic income is a good plan?

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

While I don’t usually agree with Badenoch’s take on things, I would have to ask - if a disease came along that disproportionately affected kids below the age of 5, would anyone be quoting similar statistics or would we all pitch in to save the kids ?

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We had that with Influenza ( HxNx) one year not that long ago...that variant hit Children far worse. I remember all the pictures of families lining up at community centers and school gyms to get their children the Flu shot. Lots of panic. That was the first time the term 'herd immunity' was used as it was the only hope to save the kids. Thankfully we had a flu shot available and it was just a rush to get it into the arms of the kids.

And yes statistics were used, again to create a sense of fear in an attempt to get parents to take their kids in for the shots (more kids better herd immunity) .

I remember the discussions here on the forum with the True and Non-believers of the vaccines. Even when it was the kids more seriously at risk.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

In my mind dying from opioid was completely voluntary and not the result of anything or anyone but that person

All others who died get my sympathy whether from COVID or anything else that wasn’t voluntary Russian roulette

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lol you have a pretty 1 sided way of looking at things or you just dont understand opioids at all.

alot of people who are addicted to opioids you can thank the health care system for that.

same with people who are addicted to hard drugs like heroine for example. it all started with doctor prescribed opioids and is why its been such a pandemic in the recent years.