Are Dogs used for Big Game Hunting in Ontario?

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

How would you like me to explain that the dogs we use now, are not as trained and not as good as some past dogs there Fox? Please don't use ballistics or any other nonsense that's usually posted.

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I had two redbone hounds back to back that were family pets...laid on the couch and watched TV with me year-round. Both use to come to camp with me a run deer for the week. Some of the finest dogs the camps had ever seen in 35 yrs.

I also had a 3 legged beagle that lived in our house as a family pet....he came hunting with me as well. Great dog on deer, ran with the pack for the whole week, by mid-week he was out in front.

A good deer dog is genetic, mostly instinct.

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Originally Posted by Fox

Hunting dogs do not need to be locked up on a 6ft chain all their lives, they can be family pets with no issues to their hunting abilities, ask me how I know? Beagles and walker crosses are what we used and they spent the nights inside, had heating pads in their pens when they were in the kennel and walked regularly, even with a shock collar to keep them close and guess what, they hunted like maniacs.

What you are saying is suggesting that dogs for hunting cannot be pets and have to be treated poorly for them to hunt, I have a huge problem with that.

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You've been hangin with Greatwhite too much??????? Where on earth did I say any of that????? Where did I even hint at any of that????? I'm a dog owner and have been my whole life....for you to completely make false accusations about someone you've never met.....shows what kind of person you are..... .I stated the dogs are spoiled.....and they're not good hunters....thats it......great family pets......what's next, you gonna' state I beat and leave my dogs outside from that info????

It always made for a long day when old Frank used to bring his pet beagle out to run deer for us.

We usually only resorted to the pets when the better hounds ran off for a day or two.

In the 100-something years my family had the hound camp, the best deer dogs were the ones that my uncle kept outside in a kennel specifically as deer dogs. The rental dogs and the pets were generally not as good, but the odd one would hunt well enough.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I had two redbone hounds back to back that were family pets...laid on the couch and watched TV with me year-round. Both use to come to camp with me a run deer for the week. Some of the finest dogs the camps had ever seen in 35 yrs.

I also had a 3 legged beagle that lived in our house as a family pet....he came hunting with me as well. Great dog on deer, ran with the pack for the whole week, by mid-week he was out in front.

A good deer dog is genetic, mostly instinct.

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That's awesome, we've had some beauties too that were "sleep in the bed " and sleep all day dogs....but would always have a start in the thickest of thick....had some big sucks....and had some that were hard to call off even after shot....

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

You've been hangin with Greatwhite too much??????? Where on earth did I say any of that????? Where did I even hint at any of that????? I'm a dog owner and have been my whole life....for you to completely make false accusations about someone you've never met.....shows what kind of person you are...... .........I stated the dogs are spoiled.....and they're not good hunters....thats it......great family pets......what's next, you gonna' state I beat and leave my dogs outside from that info???? ....

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This is exactly what you wrote

"We use beagles for deer....unfortunately these days, the dogs we use have been pampered by a couple guys who look after them all year......I'd almost rather not even use them, as half the time they're on old tracks and not as good as the ones we used to have....... "

This is suggesting that a dog as a family pet is a crappy hunting dog.

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Originally Posted by Fox

This is exactly what you wrote

"We use beagles for deer....unfortunately these days, the dogs we use have been pampered by a couple guys who look after them all year......I'd almost rather not even use them, as half the time they're on old tracks and not as good as the ones we used to have....... "

This is suggesting that a dog as a family pet is a crappy hunting dog.

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That's what YOU are suggesting Fox......why is it when you read something and interpret in a Karen kind of way, you attack and draw conclusions with zero questions, zero anything really......anyway, I'm done with this.....I've invested way more than I should've into this.......

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Originally Posted by LiveBates

That's what YOU are suggesting Fox......why is it when you read something and interpret in a Karen kind of way, you attack and draw conclusions with zero questions, zero anything really......anyway, I'm done with this.....I've invested way more than I should've into this.......

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There is a group of people who used to hunt with dogs who believed that any dogs being shown love and as part of the family were no good for hunting, they would use a dog house, small chain, feed once a day and fill out their water, worse conditions than a cow.

I never once said you did that to a dog, I said that a dog living in a home does not detract from their hunting ability, you are the one who made the rest of the assumptions.

I've been on bear hunts with blue ticks, plott, red bone and walkers.

Our camp likes short beagles for deer. The thought is the deer aren't pushed as hard and you are more likely to have a stopped or slower moving deer go by your watch when it's time to shoot.

On the other side of that I've heard theories that if you want to shoot mature bucks on a chase you need the longer legged bigger hounds to be nipping at the heals so the buck can't stop and figure out the chase (smell guys on stand)

Our camp hasn't shot a big buck in a long time lol

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Our camp likes short beagles for deer. The thought is the deer aren't pushed as hard and you are more likely to have a stopped or slower moving deer go by your watch when it's time to shoot.

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That was a concern for sure...my Rebones could run a deer in a straight line for miles. Far to fast for most guys to be able to shot them. There was another camp down the road that use to benefit though, by the time the deer got to them they were plumb tuckered out.

We also had a couple small dogs, mutts, but they pushed deer well, but very slow. Much easier for the watch shooters to catch the deer drying to sneek away from them. HaHa..

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Originally Posted by Fox

This is exactly what you wrote

"We use beagles for deer....unfortunately these days, the dogs we use have been pampered by a couple guys who look after them all year......I'd almost rather not even use them, as half the time they're on old tracks and not as good as the ones we used to have....... "

This is suggesting that a dog as a family pet is a crappy hunting dog.

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Before this gets too heated let me try to clear things up.
A dog sleeping on a bed or tied to a post doesn't make a good hunting dog.
Day in day out conditioning and reinforcement of skills makes a good dog.