Air Canada suspends more than 800 employees

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Let's correct a few of those points with facts ... instead of BS propaganda.

1) Booster shot is not a definite ... only proposed for the most vulnerable. It is yet to be seen whether vaccine efficiency to prevent SEVERE ILLNESS perpetuates or requires a booster.
2) Testing should not be required for fully vaccinated, in fact there is discussion to drop testing for travelers returning to Canada who are fully vaccinated. Testing would only be necessary if someone is experience symptoms of COVID ... so there is knowledge of interaction with others, and I'd say mostly to protect the unvaccinated.
3) Hospitalization rate of unvaccinated is approximately 35 times higher than vaccinated. 35 TIMES!!! That's insanely higher odds! But, none the less, the vaccine was never declared as being a cure (100% effective).
4) Masks and social distancing are in practice pretty much to protect the unvaccinated and most vulnerable.
5) Ontario's numbers are WAY down ... everyone predicted a huge rise in COVID due to the colder weather ... assuming the vaccine was ineffective. WRONG! We have avoided a lock down ... so this is complete BS.

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Boosters are coming bc has already said that. Yes to the general public .

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If a third of vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated yes they should be tested.

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Most of cases have come from the younger generation with the least hospitalized.

Hundreds of thousands of cases with very little that needed medical attention. So who is at risk?

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If the so called vaccine was effective there would be no need to to worry about the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

As it stands more of the vaxxed are spreading this deadly disease.

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Our only cold weather we have seen was the beginning of September the the spike happened. The cold has just arrived the last few days. It's not even really cold yet. Nice out today lol.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

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Boosters are coming bc has already said that. Yes to the general public .

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If a third of vaccinated have the same viral load as the unvaccinated yes they should be tested.

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Most of cases have come from the younger generation with the least hospitalized.

Hundreds of thousands of cases with very little that needed medical attention. So who is at risk?

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If the so called vaccine was effective there would be no need to to worry about the vaccinated spreading it to the unvaccinated.

As it stands more of the vaxxed are spreading this deadly disease.

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Our only cold weather we have seen was the beginning of September the the spike happened. The cold has just arrived the last few days. It's not even really cold yet. Nice out today lol.

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1. Let's see what happens ... I too am curious how this plays out. But, boosters may be necessary simply due to virus mutations ... same as annual flu shot. They need to target the common mutations.
2. Why should they be tested? If vaccinated express little to no symptoms ... who cares? This does become like common cold then ... we don't test everyone for common cold.
3. I don't understand ... are you saying a third of unvaccinated or vaccinated are younger gen? And what is the point? We can see if we compare unvaxxed in ICU / unvaxxed population and compare same ratio to vaxxed ... it is 35 x higher in Ontario for unvaxxed.
4. All we care about is NOT inundating ICU with COVID patients ... and because unvaxxed are 35x more likely to require hospitalization ... we have to be precautious about limiting spread of COVID to unvaxxed.
5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

Some facts you forgot...

1. Boosters already been done in some provinces and around the world..already determined it's required.
2. With vaccinated people becoming infected..more testing will be required, not less.
3. Have to look at reality..only 3 patients in Hospital, 1was fully vaxxed, and 2 aren't..don't make 35% sound like its a huge number.
4. Masks and distance is still applicable to everyone, especially to the fully vaxxed who 'think' they're immune but statistically, 30% (60% in some counties ) of them are also infected.
5. Our numbers are down because we've achieved 'Herd Immunity'...too few people left unvaccinated to matter.

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Mike, where the heck are you getting your numbers from????? Point (3) ... only 3 patients in Hospital??? Come on man, what BS are you believe in now??
Like I said, you guys are also following your version of fake news.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

As of today in Ontario ICU:

Unvaccinated = 60
Partially vaccinated = 6
Fully vaccinated = 12

10.7 million adults have taken at least 1 dose in Ontario
1.4 million adults not vaccinated in Ontario.

60 / 1.4 million = 42.9 unvaxxed in ICU per 1 million
18 / 10.7 million = 1.7 vaxxed (incl partially vaxxed) in ICU per 1 million

Correction ... the rate of severe illness requiring ICU is 25.5x higher in unvaxxed than vaxxed. And remember, I've been lenient by considering partially vaxxed as fully vaxxed.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Mike, where the heck are you getting your numbers from????? Point (3) ... only 3 patients in Hospital??? Come on man, what BS are you believe in now??
Like I said, you guys are also following your version of fake news.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

As of today in Ontario ICU:

Unvaccinated = 60
Partially vaccinated = 6
Fully vaccinated = 12

10.7 million adults have taken at least 1 dose in Ontario
1.4 million adults not vaccinated in Ontario.

60 / 1.4 million = 42.9 unvaxxed in ICU per 1 million
18 / 10.7 million = 1.7 vaxxed (incl partially vaxxed) in ICU per 1 million

Correction ... the rate of severe illness requiring ICU is 25.5x higher in unvaxxed than vaxxed. And remember, I've been lenient by considering partially vaxxed as fully vaxxed.

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https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity

https://principia-scientific.com/thr...s-do-not-work/

https://bridgecitynews.ca/alberta-nu...FGSuJgJGLP6sYs

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

Boosters you say...many years worth already paid for. Fake news, I think not ...lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2Kcw...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by MarkB

1. Let's see what happens ... I too am curious how this plays out. But, boosters may be necessary simply due to virus mutations ... same as annual flu shot. They need to target the common mutations.
2. Why should they be tested? If vaccinated express little to no symptoms ... who cares? This does become like common cold then ... we don't test everyone for common cold.
3. I don't understand ... are you saying a third of unvaccinated or vaccinated are younger gen? And what is the point? We can see if we compare unvaxxed in ICU / unvaxxed population and compare same ratio to vaxxed ... it is 35 x higher in Ontario for unvaxxed.
4. All we care about is NOT inundating ICU with COVID patients ... and because unvaxxed are 35x more likely to require hospitalization ... we have to be precautious about limiting spread of COVID to unvaxxed.
5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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You said you are 35 time more likely to be hospitalized. But who is at a high risk of being hospitalized? We know Young people under 30 make up about 40 per cent of the cases with very low hospitalized and low deaths.
Average age of needing medical attention is in its 50s and there are plenty not vaccinated. Only 86 per cent of Canadians between 50 and 59 vaxxed over 25 or close to 30 per cent of all people over 50 are not vaccinated.

Ps a third of the vaccinated was 2 lol.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

5. I don't know about you, but it's been cold for about 3 weeks here in Southern Ontario ... one study I read states optimal temperature for transmission is 5'C to 14'C ... it's basically been that for almost 3 weeks. Average gestation period for virus is 1 week, and 2 weeks we all know is standard quarantine period, so you're not infectious outside that window. This means we been in the optimal cold weather window now long enough to see a spike in cases this week. In past few days, the number of cases is similar to past few weeks, in fact 100 people lower per day in Ontario than 1 month ago.

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Lots of people still keeping the events out doors. The weather has been nice enough to keep it out doors.
Most events we did this year only had about 30 more people than last year on average. A few big ones though lol.

1 good event had everyone tested when they arrived with a rapid test.







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Originally Posted by canadaman30

https://www.thecountersignal.com/new...vid-propaganda

https://thenationaltelegraph.com/reg...u-bed-capacity

https://principia-scientific.com/thr...s-do-not-work/

https://bridgecitynews.ca/alberta-nu...FGSuJgJGLP6sYs

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/on...5_9an92UE4sYIc

Boosters you say...many years worth already paid for. Fake news, I think not ...lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MU2Kcw...ature=youtu.be

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Believe what you want ... doesn't matter. I know the truth. I speak to people who are working in the hospitals.
Nothing fake about that. Calling it fake, means you are ignoring the truth ... but whatever ... I guess you'll just
have to decide whether I'm a liar or not.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Number 3

You said you are 35 time more likely to be hospitalized. But who is at a high risk of being hospitalized? We know Young people under 30 make up about 40 per cent of the cases with very low hospitalized and low deaths.
Average age of needing medical attention is in its 50s and there are plenty not vaccinated. Only 86 per cent of Canadians between 50 and 59 vaxxed over 25 or close to 30 per cent of all people over 50 are not vaccinated.

Ps a third of the vaccinated was 2 lol.

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Doesn't matter. The virus doesn't distinguish according to you guys ... if you are vaccinated or not.
There are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 year olds that are vaccinated and unvaccinated ... equal demographic.
And still there is 25x (based on today's numbers) higher likelihood of requiring ICU if you are not vaccinated.
That's the beauty of comparing the two numbers ... you cannot bias one or the other ... because both populations
have representation of the same age groups.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Doesn't matter. The virus doesn't distinguish according to you guys ... if you are vaccinated or not.
There are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 year olds that are vaccinated and unvaccinated ... equal demographic.
And still there is 25x (based on today's numbers) higher likelihood of requiring ICU if you are not vaccinated.
That's the beauty of comparing the two numbers ... you cannot bias one or the other ... because both populations
have representation of the same age groups.

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That's the problem age is key I'm 39 and know many that said it was really nasty. My 2 oldest kids 22 and 17 know many that have had tested positive and many of them had very little symptoms and actually said it's nothing. My step dad said he almost died he is over weight and 62 my mom has diabetes, heart issues a pase maker and stints throughout her she ok . If it's what I had December 2019 it was bad lasted weeks and felt like crap on an off spitting big chunks for 2 months.

A 10 year old compared to àn 80 year old has a 10 thousand chance less of a serious outcome. While the 80 year old is 10 thousand time more at risk of developing severe covid and death. Those are just facts.

There is less than 1 percent of children vaxxed and there is very little chance they will need medical attention let alone see an ICU . In fact the regular flu put more kids in the ICU and had way more death's in the last few months of 2017 then all 2020 from covid. Most of the younger people from my kids ages they are ok not going to the hospital and say it's not so bad. My kids know many many people who has had covid recovered from covid 19 and knows zero deaths or hospital visits. However they both know several kids who have died from other causes like bad accidents.

More teenagers are vaccinated compared to the 20 to 39 age groups. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to go to the movies and was pushed into getting it. My 17 year old was almost pushed this way to do something she enjoyed. I also know many more young teens that got it just to go into a restaurant and eat.

Here is a little break down from stats Canada.
56.6 % of our total cases in almost 2 years has resulted in 285 death's this group is 0 to 39 ages . I'm 39 am I at a high risk of death when they inflated these 285 death's? No probably not since thousands more in the that age group have died from opioids almost 20x more probably more now .

Then let's look at the older generation age's 70 and up they represent only 8.7% and have claimed 23,717 people. So who is risks?

This virus is very well age depending over 20% of all our cases 19 and younger with 17 deaths in almost 2 years. Also the chance of seeing medical attention is rare.

Did you know the flu killed 6 kids under the age of 10 in the first few months of 2017 2018 flu season ? Hundreds of kids hospitalized and 48 so sick they needed an ICU.


When the average age is in its mid 50s to seek medical attention how is this effecting a 15 year old healthy kid the risk is rare.

I'm not saying this virus is not real real I'm saying it's age dependent. I am not saying the flu is worse but for some yes it is for others no it's not.

Ps when the ICU and hospital is filled and the average age is 61 how is the unvaccinated that's the problem ? Oh yeah because only around 70 % of people age 50 and up vaccinated.

It's not the hundreds of thousands of young healthy people who are unvaccinated that are the problem filling up these ICU. It's a small amount that is unvaccinated that is being used to push the vaccine agenda.

Again we are being mislead by the small percentage of the unvaccinated that are at a higher risk of being hospitalized.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

That's the problem age is key I'm 39 and know many that said it was really nasty. My 2 oldest kids 22 and 17 know many that have had tested positive and many of them had very little symptoms and actually said it's nothing. My step dad said he almost died he is over weight and 62 my mom has diabetes, heart issues a pase maker and stints throughout her she ok . If it's what I had December 2019 it was bad lasted weeks and felt like crap on an off spitting big chunks for 2 months.

A 10 year old compared to àn 80 year old has a 10 thousand chance less of a serious outcome. While the 80 year old is 10 thousand time more at risk of developing severe covid and death. Those are just facts.

There is less than 1 percent of children vaxxed and there is very little chance they will need medical attention let alone see an ICU . In fact the regular flu put more kids in the ICU and had way more death's in the last few months of 2017 then all 2020 from covid. Most of the younger people from my kids ages they are ok not going to the hospital and say it's not so bad. My kids know many many people who has had covid recovered from covid 19 and knows zero deaths or hospital visits. However they both know several kids who have died from other causes like bad accidents.

More teenagers are vaccinated compared to the 20 to 39 age groups. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to go to the movies and was pushed into getting it. My 17 year old was almost pushed this way to do something she enjoyed. I also know many more young teens that got it just to go into a restaurant and eat.

Here is a little break down from stats Canada.
56.6 % of our total cases in almost 2 years has resulted in 285 death's this group is 0 to 39 ages . I'm 39 am I at a high risk of death when they inflated these 285 death's? No probably not since thousands more in the that age group have died from opioids almost 20x more probably more now .

Then let's look at the older generation age's 70 and up they represent only 8.7% and have claimed 23,717 people. So who is risks?

This virus is very well age depending over 20% of all our cases 19 and younger with 17 deaths in almost 2 years. Also the chance of seeing medical attention is rare.

Did you know the flu killed 6 kids under the age of 10 in the first few months of 2017 2018 flu season ? Hundreds of kids hospitalized and 48 so sick they needed an ICU.


When the average age is in its mid 50s to seek medical attention how is this effecting a 15 year old healthy kid the risk is rare.

I'm not saying this virus is not real real I'm saying it's age dependent. I am not saying the flu is worse but for some yes it is for others no it's not.

Ps when the ICU and hospital is filled and the average age is 61 how is the unvaccinated that's the problem ? Oh yeah because only around 70 % of people age 50 and up vaccinated.

It's not the hundreds of thousands of young healthy people who are unvaccinated that are the problem filling up these ICU. It's a small amount that is unvaccinated that is being used to push the vaccine agenda.

Again we are being mislead by the small percentage of the unvaccinated that are at a higher risk of being hospitalized.

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