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Yawn ... who cares. You keep harping on the same BS argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
As more and more people get the vaccine ... more and more that get infected will be vaccinated people.
ALL that matter is how sick they get. If they got COVID and it's nothing more than the sniffles, because the vaccine
is protecting them ... it's doing EXACTLY as it was designed to do.
Stop spreading fear about the vaccine.
Yeah, what would the numbers be if no one was vaccinated there? Probably like 500 to 1000 in hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Then why the vilification of those who choose not to get the vaccine....96% of those that got Covid (pre vaccine) didn't get anymore than sick than the "sniffles"....Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
As of 16th Nov..the total Hospitalization in Onatrio......
Unvaccinated 102
Partially vaccinated 17
Fully vaccinated 73
Tell me again how the Vaccine is working keeping people from getting seriously sick....pretty close to 50/50 with or without the vaccine.
It seems like the goalposts are shifting with your arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
1a) is it about ICU overloading? That's our crappy healthcare system due to mismanagement of funds, mass immigration and horrible conditions in long term care facilities.
b) the majority of people who died with covid were elderly people in long term care homes...
2) is it about serious dangers from covid? See point #1b.
The vast majority of people who get covid only get the sniffles. The virus has a 99.97% survival rate. It is not a pandemic by any means.
No one is spreading fear except for the msm, corrupt politicians and their health 'experts' who are so deep into conflicts of interest with big pharma. The vaccine is neither safe nor effective.
'Most vaccinated' place on Earth cancels Christmas
Gibraltar has gone Scrooge early on official Christmas events and ‘strongly’ discouraged people from hosting private gatherings for four weeks, amid a surge in Covid-19 cases.
The Rock’s entire eligible population is vaccinated, according to govt data.
“The drastic increase in the numbers of people testing positive for Covid-19 in recent days is a stark reminder that the virus is still very prevalent in our community and that it is the responsibility of us all to take every reasonable precaution to protect ourselves and our loved ones,” the Health Minister said in a statement.
The ‘rona that stole Christmas.
Says who, where are you getting your information.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://brightlightnews.com/49-of-b-...ly-vaccinated/
People who are not fully vaccinated comprise 62% of non-ICU hospital admissions and 78% of ICU admissions but less than 15% of the eligible population.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Fully vaccinated people represent 38% of non-ICU hospital admissions and 22% of ICU admissions but represent 86% of the eligible population.
If the vaccines weren't working then the number of vaccinated people in hospitals and ICUs should outnumber the unvaccinated by at least 5 to 1.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
Stats all derived from flawed PCR testing in order for the same proponents to continually push the agenda and narrative.
Why get vaxxed if you will get influenza PLUS risk serious side effects.
Because someone on TV with links to Big Pharma told you so?
"WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed . The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology."
"WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity."
"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."
https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05
Mike, stop generalizing. That's probably you're #1 problem ... you don't want to be vilified ... I don't want to be vilified.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You seem to talk like every pro-vaxxer is on the opposite side of a war (as others do here). It's not like a light switch, on and off.
There is a spectrum of beliefs ... I think I, for example, am more balanced.
I do not vilify those who don't get the vaccine ... I've stated NUMEROUS times that I believe it should be a choice, everyone is facing different scenarios.
In terms of the reasons for not choosing, I also believe people have a right to privacy. But, when someone openly gives me a BS reason ... like it's to intentionally
cut the world's population in half ... I'm gonna call that out ... because it's utter nonsense ... and should be reserved for Hollywood movies only.
I've never moved the goal posts, I don't know why you'd say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushwhacker
I've ALWAYS maintained three simple points:
(1) taking the vaccine should be a choice.
(2) COVID is not "just a flu", it is nasty ... and can be dangerous, yes, mostly to elderly, but I know enough 20 year olds that got really sick too (fit hockey players)
(3) it's ALL about controlling the ICU capacity ... blame whatever you want for our limited capacity ... it won't change our situation ... we have to deal with it. And the vaccine seems to be a very effective measure to control it. Without it, we would be completely saturated ... just compare a year ago (with and without vaccine, and note a year ago we were in lockdown, but now, free like birds ... so why are the numbers lower??).
So please do not put words in my mouth, or twist what I say ... I have always had a firm stance on the above ... and by the way, the vaccine is effective ... it's proven over and over, I find people (on both sides) just don't believe the numbers if it doesn't suit their argument (which is why I talk to my doctor friends who are actually on seen, and definitely NOT muffled by anyone). The vaccine has it's side effects ... but I only know 1 person over hundreds if not thousands that have taken the vaccine, that had a reaction ...