Censorship over-reach ?

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

One man's "censorship" is other man's "good moderation." We are guests here and there are rules. Follow them and enjoy yourself. Do otherwise and there may be consequences. It's not hard to understand.

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True to an extent. This forum isn't horrible but others have over stepped their boundaries. Latest round of the Twitter files show that the suppression between governments and their narratives. Doctors scientists and public health officials banned and censored for posting government documents. Labeled as misinformation that came right from the government or peer reviewed studies.

Where's the science in that? Science isn't owned but they think it is.

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I don’t think that there is much to be said about censorship. It appear to focus a conversation in the direction the censor wants it to run. It’s something of a denial that other reality might exist that the censor hasn’t got the knowledge and understanding to fathom. Back in university I came across many professor who provided you with material that they wanted you to feedback to them at examination time. Then however their was one professor who provide me with materials he wanted me to think upon, and then use them to assimilate new ideas or come up with the understanding of how they fit into the scheme of things He was indeed an inspiration to do some serious thinking rather than simply feed back to him what he had said. Censorship is really the death of doing innovative thinking. It is like a rhetorical question which call for a predetermine answer. .

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Originally Posted by gbk

This is 100 % true.

Hovewer,the "one mens"moderation ,when deemed as overreach(right or wrong)is definitely driving people away.En masse...
That is another truth.

Third one is : if a restaurant has no guest coming in,to spend time and money in there......the restaurant may see grim future......

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The restaurant depends on customers for its income. This forum does not depend on members for its revenue. A better comparison might be house guests. Should a guest in my home make comments I regard as offensive they will be warned and should they continue told to leave.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The restaurant depends on customers for its income. This forum does not depend on members for its revenue. A better comparison might be house guests. Should a guest in my home make comments I regard as offensive they will be warned and should they continue told to leave.

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Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I don’t think that there is much to be said about censorship. It appear to focus a conversation in the direction the censor wants it to run. It’s something of a denial that other reality might exist that the censor hasn’t got the knowledge and understanding to fathom. Back in university I came across many professor who provided you with material that they wanted you to feedback to them at examination time. Then however their was one professor who provide me with materials he wanted me to think upon, and then use them to assimilate new ideas or come up with the understanding of how they fit into the scheme of things He was indeed an inspiration to do some serious thinking rather than simply feed back to him what he had said. Censorship is really the death of doing innovative thinking. It is like a rhetorical question which call for a predetermine answer. .

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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Interesting.

Critical thinking is always welcome, and productive.

It's when people lose their abilities to critically analyse things, or become disrespectful of others, or their point of view.

Eg. Gilroy, by and large has differing political views than many. However, he tends to present them respectfully, most of the time. It is usually those who disagree with him who tend to overstep, and break the rules, who then cry censorship...

One example only. There are lots more.

Old Army doctrine which applies.

If you cannot effectively defend your position, you should be prepared to alter, or abandon it...

Now insert the words articulate and respectful, and it applies universally.

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Originally Posted by Badenoch

The restaurant depends on customers for its income. This forum does not depend on members for its revenue. A better comparison might be house guests. Should a guest in my home make comments I regard as offensive they will be warned and should they continue told to leave.

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You are right-i used a wrong comparison.

Now-who visits relatives/friends ,if the relative(s)in question are much into "i regard"...........

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Interesting.

Critical thinking is always welcome, and productive.



If you cannot effectively defend your position, you should be prepared to alter, or abandon it...

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No ofence Bluebulldog, and all the respect for the Moderators doing the unthankful job...but ever since the "crackdown"happened...more then one instances we saw,moderator (s) engaging into a conversation.Which is fine-so the rules go.
Hovewer-how the Forum thinks, a run of the mill Forum member will carry out a serious exhange of opinions (respectfully)with a moderator-while feeling the power coming from there?
More then once the verdict came in a way of-this is the way it is(no Forum rule topics-just any conversation)
How a Forum member can distinguish between opinion or use the authority?

Even if we say it can be done-real life is different.

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Originally Posted by gbk

No ofence Bluebulldog, and all the respect for the Moderators doing the unthankful job...but ever since the "crackdown"happened...more then one instances we saw,moderator (s) engaging into a conversation.Which is fine-so the rules go.
Hovewer-how the Forum thinks, a run of the mill Forum member will carry out a serious exhange of opinions (respectfully)with a moderator-while feeling the power coming from there?
More then once the verdict came in a way of-this is the way it is(no Forum rule topics-just any conversation)
How a Forum member can distinguish between opinion or use the authority?

Even if we say it can be done-real life is different.

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In the interest of transparency. Most members should know that not only do the moderators tend to discuss things in our own sidebar before actioning anything. But by and large we tend to avoid waiting into some topics simply because they'll need to be moderated. I personally have received warnings as a moderator for some of my posts, and I have accepted the criticism presented by my fellow mods, it's not just members who get flagged.

One overwhelming message which I have been trying to convey over the past few months, as I was part of the "crackdown", was that while we have an active participant level, of good-minded outdoors folk, these forums are not closed to the public. We have to remember that this is not somebody's living room and we're having a closed conversation. Members of the general public can Wade in and see what's being discussed and we do not want to contribute any ammunition, or any perceptions that the members on here are anything but respectful, and decent outdoors men and outdoors women.

My $0.02 FWIW.

As an aside, I actually pushed to have the off topic section completely removed.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

What is there now about 1 maybe 2 posts a day? Use to be a lot more. In fact I can remember a time when most of the categories were going full tilt including the Off topic.

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That's true , but also true on most if not all forums. Social media sites have taken over forums we are used to.


PS Some really excellent posts on here. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

I don’t think that there is much to be said about censorship. It appear to focus a conversation in the direction the censor wants it to run. It’s something of a denial that other reality might exist that the censor hasn’t got the knowledge and understanding to fathom. Back in university I came across many professor who provided you with material that they wanted you to feedback to them at examination time. Then however their was one professor who provide me with materials he wanted me to think upon, and then use them to assimilate new ideas or come up with the understanding of how they fit into the scheme of things He was indeed an inspiration to do some serious thinking rather than simply feed back to him what he had said. Censorship is really the death of doing innovative thinking. It is like a rhetorical question which call for a predetermine answer. .

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

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I'm in the middle of a long podcast called the strange death of the university. It's about the sdg's and how they plan on moving forward just another bunch of mandates and goals lol. The problem is its already happening and is being implemented all over the place.



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