Our home ON native land

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am pretty confident we are ON native land.

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Yep, King George III's Royal Proclamation of 1763 pretty much return any claim of land ownership back over to its indigenous people. There after it became a matter of rights of land use but not land ownership. Where no treaty was make the indigenous people retain their native rights on the land and it was viewed as unceded. Where treaties were made the rights on the land were signed over to the Crown to be dispersed for settlement and it was viewed as ceded. There was no exchange of ownership, the only thing negotiated was rights to land use. Canada is an institution govern by a constitution that has land right use on indigenous land. Hence the singer's recognition of this in changing the line to "Our home on native land."

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Originally Posted by huntervinni

I'm pretty confident that is not our national anthem.

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Exactly. Since when do people who are asked to sing the National Anthem , have the right to change the words to suit their belief. Ridiculous to applaud that behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Gun Nut

Yep, King George III's Royal Proclamation of 1763 pretty much return any claim of land ownership back over to its indigenous people. There after it became a matter of rights of land use but not land ownership. Where no treaty was make the indigenous people retain their native rights on the land and it was viewed as unceded. Where treaties were made the rights on the land were signed over to the Crown to be dispersed for settlement and it was viewed as ceded. There was no exchange of ownership, the only thing negotiated was rights to land use. Canada is an institution govern by a constitution that has land right use on indigenous land. Hence the singer's recognition of this in changing the line to "Our home on native land."

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Great post and helps those who have no read up on their Canadian History.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

Exactly. Since when do people who are asked to sing the National Anthem , have the right to change the words to suit their belief. Ridiculous to applaud that behaviour.

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These are changing times, the anthem has been changed at least three times over the course of history, for those who care to read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada

Perhaps the original authors did not foresee the decimation of the aboriginal peoples that was yet to come, everything from deliberate smallpox infections, abuse and murders at residential schools and forced re settlement. Basically a modern genocide.

So now that the bodies are showing up in numbers, artifacts stolen being returned, this small concession to make amends to our aboriginal brothers should be allowed.

Pretty sure if it was put to a vote for the change it would happen.

Lets face it folks just about nobody these days under 30 years old actually knows the words in any event and half over thirty years don't even bother to sing it when they should. IMHO

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

LOL ….go ahead and donate your cottage property back to them then

This country was home to a sparse population who was mainly nomadic…..the notion that the whole country was theirs is simply foolish

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Always a possibility I could leave them a conservation easement to all the land.

They were not nomadic mainly and you can gleam this from all the FACTS and FIGURES in the link below. Cheers.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/...-eng.htm#part2

I'm native! I was born here so therefore I am Canadian! lol

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

These are changing times, the anthem has been changed at least three times over the course of history, for those who care to read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Canada

Perhaps the original authors did not foresee the decimation of the aboriginal peoples that was yet to come, everything from deliberate smallpox infections, abuse and murders at residential schools and forced re settlement. Basically a modern genocide.

So now that the bodies are showing up in numbers, artifacts stolen being returned, this small concession to make amends to our aboriginal brothers should be allowed.

Pretty sure if it was put to a vote for the change it would happen.

Lets face it folks just about nobody these days under 30 years old actually knows the words in any event and half over thirty years don't even bother to sing it when they should. IMHO

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“….bodies showing up in numbers….”
I am not denying that the residential school were wrong, or that abuses took place, but let’s not abandon reality. In that time period, children of many ages and backgrounds died of all kinds of diseases. When you take ground-penetrating radar into a graveyard….you are going to find…..graves !!
A smart guy like you knows better than to be caught up in media sensationalism.

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

“….bodies showing up in numbers….”
I am not denying that the residential school were wrong, or that abuses took place, but let’s not abandon reality. In that time period, children of many ages and backgrounds died of all kinds of diseases. When you take ground-penetrating radar into a graveyard….you are going to find…..graves !!
A smart guy like you knows better than to be caught up in media sensationalism.

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I read this morning where a teacher in B.C. was fired for going against the official ideology.. During a grade 12 classroom a student said priests murdered and tortured students and left them to die in the snow but the teacher stated most in fact died primarily of tuberculosis. No doubt many atrocities occurred by the church and should never be dismissed but I've also read many stories of children that were removed from deplorable conditions and received proper care and are very thankful. Two sides too every story.......

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Originally Posted by 73hunter

“….bodies showing up in numbers….”
I am not denying that the residential school were wrong, or that abuses took place, but let’s not abandon reality. In that time period, children of many ages and backgrounds died of all kinds of diseases. When you take ground-penetrating radar into a graveyard….you are going to find…..graves !!
A smart guy like you knows better than to be caught up in media sensationalism.

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Well the great thing these days is the use of advance science and DNA and forensic investigations. The cause of death of many of these children will be discovered including if they died of disease or from other causes. We are only now learning of the sexual abuse done at the hands of priest's and ministers and COVERED up by the Church for decades. There is absolutely going to be cases of murder discovered when these investigations take place and believe me they will be taking place.

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Originally Posted by warpipe

I read this morning where a teacher in B.C. was fired for going against the official ideology.. During a grade 12 classroom a student said priests murdered and tortured students and left them to die in the snow but the teacher stated most in fact died primarily of tuberculosis. No doubt many atrocities occurred by the church and should never be dismissed but I've also read many stories of children that were removed from deplorable conditions and received proper care and are very thankful. Two sides too every story.......

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Are you trying to tell us that children forced from the hands of their parents by RCMP officers, separated from siblings, deprived of their parents, forced to speak only English, some even later adopted out. That the aboriginal community should be THANKFUL.

The whole idea of taking these children was not to look after them but to "take the Indian out of them" somehow make them fit into colonial society or the white man's world.

Sorry but so far I have not hear ONE SINGLE STORY where a child subject to the residential prison system wanted to THANK THE AUTHORITIES.

Perhaps you can dig up some accounts of this happening and post them for me?

How exactly did this learned TEACHER know they died of tuberculosis, was the teacher around them, was the teacher at the autopsy, was the teacher medically trained?

Children do die of disease and if they are white children their death and cause of death and burial place is marked and recorded.

How come we do not know the cause of death of these children, why are they in UNMARKED graves, why were their no autopsies done.