Fix the Ontario Moose Tag Allocation

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Originally Posted by delmer

I'm not seeing the section that you quoted. Has the petition been edited? I do think that unclaimed tags should be available via a surplus purchase system. This would involve issuing a cut-off date for tags allotted in the second phase to be either claimed or lost. I don't think points should be lost because you don't claim a tag, but perhaps having your point total frozen for a year if you don't claim.

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Mmmmmm….. yes looks like the petition was edited. I can no longer see what I quoted. Not cool.
Beware.

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Originally Posted by Ralphy

In response to Wasa. I think what your neighbour told you is not correct. If a person applied for a tag in a large group every year, the tag was awarded to the hunter with the longest consecutive years of applying without missing a year. if the tag was then transferred, it would have went to the hunter in the group who had the most consecutive years of applying without getting a tag. If it took eight hunters to get a bull tag, there would have had to have been eight hunters with at least one point or years of applying to get that tag he would’ve had zero years If he had the tag the previous year. could this new system use a few tweaks I liken it to a train wreck. 573 tags by my count in 15 B unclaimed. A lot of hunters possibly being denied a chance to go hunting. No different than all the hunters complaining about the old system and not getting a tag. have a sale before the season. I’m sure every moose tag will be sold that Was not claimed.

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Sure but the number of tags isn’t the issue to the MNR. It’s the number of moose harvested.
So with your proposal more moose killed this year and then less tags next year
It’s a one year short term game at best
The way it is now if there are less harvested and population estimates indicate they want more taken then there will be more tags issued next year

I know you want a tag but it really comes down to how many moose we have and what rate of harvest is sustainable

The number of unclaimed tags is just one more factor in those calculations

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Originally Posted by FishHog

Sure but the number of tags isn’t the issue to the MNR. It’s the number of moose harvested.
So with your proposal more moose killed this year and then less tags next year
It’s a one year short term game at best
The way it is now if there are less harvested and population estimates indicate they want more taken then there will be more tags issued next year

I know you want a tag but it really comes down to how many moose we have and what rate of harvest is sustainable

The number of unclaimed tags is just one more factor in those calculations

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Totally agree, this system is way better than before

Closing the "phantom hunter" loophole was the single biggest improvement in the new system. This system is still brand new. We need to let it run and give it a chance. Sustainability is key,not harvest at all costs.

IMO, I don’t think that the MNRF anticipated the actual number of unclaimed tags. They are supposed to review the draw after this year and I expect that there will be tweaks to the draw to eliminate them.

The way the current draw works, if all of the tags are allocated at choice #1, then choice 2 & 3 are redundant even if tags go unclaimed. All unclaimed tags should be randomly distributed to hunters who were unsuccessful in the draw (for that particular unit) as long as they check off a box (new step) indicating their willingness to claim an unclaimed tag and forfeiting their points if they check the box and don’t claim it.

Please, do not reinstate the telephone draw for surplus tags. That was a farce!

Don't change anything it is the best system
first year I got a tag with 2 points (and I went hunting ..)
second year I got a tag with 0 point (and I went hunting ..)
I am hoping for a tag this year to ...(and I will go hunting ..)
With this new system who wants a tag can get one (and can go hunting Moose to )

Who want to collect point and not to go hunting Moose can do that to ...

Also who want whining about about the new system can do that also ...

Sorry no offence I just got tired reading ...

Definitely not a fan of the new system.

In the core moose range we are at a tag of a lifetime maybe 2 if you live long enough.

Needing 15 plus points for a bull tag is not conducive to moose hunting.

On the plus side you get to know sooner you don't have a tag again lol.

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Originally Posted by gibb

Definitely not a fan of the new system.

In the core moose range we are at a tag of a lifetime maybe 2 if you live long enough.

Needing 15 plus points for a bull tag is not conducive to moose hunting.

On the plus side you get to know sooner you don't have a tag again lol.

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But that isn't a function of the new system, that is a function of a declining moose herd and lots of people who what to hunt. Sure it would be great if there were so many moose we could all get tags, but that isn't the reality.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

But that isn't a function of the new system, that is a function of a declining moose herd and lots of people who what to hunt. Sure it would be great if there were so many moose we could all get tags, but that isn't the reality.

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The function of the new system was to give whiners who want to hunt a moose by themselves a tag. Great success there but a complete failure otherwise.

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Originally Posted by gibb

The function of the new system was to give whiners who want to hunt a moose by themselves a tag. Great success there but a complete failure otherwise.

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Oh I get it. You liked the system that was in your favour but not fair for everyone
Sucks for you but you had your turn. Now those of us with small groups might finally get our chance