Great day in the grouse woods

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

What breed is the white dog? Is it an English setter? Beautiful dog.

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Thank you. Llewellin setter


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Jessie is having an outstanding first season!

Great photo for sure.

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Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.

Lots of spots like that....

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I wish that was the case where I call home. Wmu 75 and south wmu 60 literally has no grouse population now. Pretty much extirpation of the species.

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Originally Posted by BSP1

Thank you. Llewellin setter


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Wow, I just read up on the Llewellin and how they split “show” English and “working” setters into two groups. The one site states that the original “English “ no longer exists in its pure form anymore. How does a breeder track all this now? Am I right in thinking that you’d have to do dNA testing to match the original line from the 1800’s. As a kid I grew up with friends that had what we called English setters. They were all fantastic hunters. I wonder if some of these dogs were actually Llewellin?

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Originally Posted by Fenelon

Wow, I just read up on the Llewellin and how they split “show” English and “working” setters into two groups. The one site states that the original “English “ no longer exists in its pure form anymore. How does a breeder track all this now? Am I right in thinking that you’d have to do dNA testing to match the original line from the 1800’s. As a kid I grew up with friends that had what we called English setters. They were all fantastic hunters. I wonder if some of these dogs were actually Llewellin?

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I think DNA testing would be done. I know she’s registered as a llewellin . But anyway she hunts great and has an off switch in the house. She’s my first bird dog and is a great all round dog that I’m very happy with.


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The Field Dog Stud Book (FDSB) is the oldest dog registry (founded 1874) in North America and is the only one that registers Llewellin Setters separately from English Setters. To register a Llewellin pup, a DNA sample must be submitted. BUT, all that the DNA sample can prove is that the pup came from the stated parents, who also have to registered Llewellins. There is no such thing as a Llewellin gene that the pup is traced back to.

Its well-known that over the 150 year recorded history of dog breeding, breeders of all kinds have sometimes been creative in fudging the records in order to add a dash of this or that to their program. So there's no longer such a thing as a pure Llewellin in my opinion. What remains clear however is that, as stated earlier, Llewellin's predominantly still come from field dog parents, which increases the odds of a pup having good natural ability.

When people ask me what the difference is between my Llewellin and other English Setters, I tell them that Llewellins carry their noses higher in the air ;)

really enjoy your dog pictures, very good hunt

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Originally Posted by sabmgb

really enjoy your dog pictures, very good hunt

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Thank you. Yeah it was a day to remember! Lots of bird contacts !


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Originally Posted by ninepointer

The Field Dog Stud Book (FDSB) is the oldest dog registry (founded 1874) in North America and is the only one that registers Llewellin Setters separately from English Setters. To register a Llewellin pup, a DNA sample must be submitted. BUT, all that the DNA sample can prove is that the pup came from the stated parents, who also have to registered Llewellins. There is no such thing as a Llewellin gene that the pup is traced back to.

Its well-known that over the 150 year recorded history of dog breeding, breeders of all kinds have sometimes been creative in fudging the records in order to add a dash of this or that to their program. So there's no longer such a thing as a pure Llewellin in my opinion. What remains clear however is that, as stated earlier, Llewellin's predominantly still come from field dog parents, which increases the odds of a pup having good natural ability.

When people ask me what the difference is between my Llewellin and other English Setters, I tell them that Llewellins carry their noses higher in the air ;)

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What he said [emoji6]


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