To bait or not to bait DEER

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

What I get out of that is that you are against baiting in principle and are trying to rationalize a ban on it.
Your closing statement is flawed in that you are creating the false premise that banning baiting would provide a health deer herd in the future, while baiting puts that at risk. There is absolutely no evidence to support this.
If you don't want to hunt over bait, then don't. But trying to impose your will on others - well where does that end? No hunting with dogs? No hunting with rifles? No hunting with crossbows? No hunting with compounds? No hunting at all. It's a slippery slope you're walking on.

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Interesting opinion.

If we look at the topic at different angle,like-all who are against ban on baiting are the bait hunters,and they rationalize around their need for baiting ,claiming based on scientifically not proven statements -baiting is a no threat.....?
Then exponentiate that stand by implying : other " limitations"can potentially be imposed on hunting, as they may be linked to a "bait or not to bait" question in a "Dime a dozen Thread" on an Internet Forum?

I am a little guy,and never thought i can impose "anything"on anyone............

I simply hoped for exchange of opinions.

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

In the name of the greater good? What good? As far as I've read there is no CWD in Ontario. Blue tongue is spread by midges in summertime. _
The existing ban on natural deer scent isn't backed by science.
The bans on bringing deer parts - into Ontario is a feel-good measure - nothing more.
The MNRF did not stop supplemental feeding to prevent the spread of diseases - they didn't want the cost or responsibility for it.

We don't need a deer feeding ban, and if we get one, it won't do any good. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist here - large scale deer farms and high deer densities.

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I agree 100 % with Werner. Reiche's reply.

I agree with others in that the belief that banning baiting to prevent disease or to slow down the spread is flawed. IMO, there are too many settings in the natural world where deer interact and make contact with each other which makes baiting prohibitions futile.

CWD is the current boogeyman but I think EHD kills more deer every year across the continent and there isn’t a lot that can be done to prevent it.

I think there should be more education about the risks of baiting e.g, acidosis. I would wager that most hunter’s aren’t aware of how a deer’s stomach works and how sensitive they are to food changes. A one-pager in the regs would help.

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Originally Posted by Sam Menard

I agree with others in that the belief that banning baiting to prevent disease or to slow down the spread is flawed. IMO, there are too many settings in the natural world where deer interact and make contact with each other which makes baiting prohibitions futile.

CWD is the current boogeyman but I think EHD kills more deer every year across the continent and there isn’t a lot that can be done to prevent it.

I think there should be more education about the risks of baiting e.g, acidosis. I would wager that most hunter’s aren’t aware of how a deer’s stomach works and how sensitive they are to food changes. A one-pager in the regs would help.

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I not sure I agree completely. Baiting typically concentrates deer to a very small pile they all eat on. Natural sources sure can do the same in some circumstances but it would be much less likely. Since CWD is spread through saliva from one deer to another, the spread has to be more concentrated at bait piles.

EHD is certainly an issue, especially more so now in Ontario since we don't have CWD yet, at least not confirmed, but CWD is a death sentence for every deer that gets it, unless it dies of something else first.

I'm not against baiting at all, do it myself and love my mineral sites as well. But I can see the reason behind banning these things when CWD arrives. In my mind that is only a matter of time.

I appreciate the OP's attempt at a discussion and keeping calm and cool about it despite some of the replies he has received. Talking isn't an attack on your hunting methods. But clearly some take it pretty personally.

Hopefully the results from areas that have tried these types of bans will be shared with the MNR and they can make an informed decision when we do finally get CWD. I truly hope that never happens, but I think that is wishful thinking. Hopefully we can delay until there is a cure/treatment found at best in my opinion.