What's the current situation with the Algonquin land claim?

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Originally Posted by terrym

Call me what you want but I would never enter into a contract or pay money with any first nations band. If 10 yrs down the road a new generation feels they were cheated and don't accept the terms you would have no legal recourse as they only abide by laws when it suits them.

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According to any meetings I have been at, if your camp in in this area and this goes through, I would not spend a lot all money on maintenance of the camp because if they like it , it is theirs, but if you get to renew the land use permit, you will be paying the lease permit funds to the First Nations, not the MNR.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

There will still be lots crown land to hunt. Give it a little bit of time and the Algonquins will start selling the land. A lot of the land they have indicated they want is prime water front that will get sold off to developers.

i just hope they will start paying property taxes.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/chelsea...b_1127893.html

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Originally Posted by terrym

Call me what you want but I would never enter into a contract or pay money with any first nations band. If 10 yrs down the road a new generation feels they were cheated and don't accept the terms you would have no legal recourse as they only abide by laws when it suits them.

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Wow. That's quite a blanket statement.

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Originally Posted by The Wife

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/chelsea...b_1127893.html

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To clarify my "I hope they start paying property taxes" comment, I did mean on all real property that they own, on or off reserve.

I was well aware that off reserve first nations pay property tax., But it has not been made absolutely clear if this will happen for any large parcels of land that have been selected as part of this land claim. Will these parcels be considered as reservation land, or private property.

Also there is some stuff in that link that does not apply in this situation yet, as there is no existing treaty with the Algonquins. Or do these things apply if favorable to them?

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Originally Posted by The Wife

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/chelsea...b_1127893.html

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Not to discredit your article, but Chelsea Vowel is a FN blogger, and activist who makes her living from rabble rousing.

She was referenced indirectly in an article in the National Post surrounding the Attawapiskat fiasco, and they then basically lost most of their credibility on that particular issue.

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Originally Posted by Blackwolf

Sounds like a Caledonia recipe for disaster to me. Sell land collect monies, then take land back. Sounds great!!

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http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&...C5NejuVIle73Xw

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Not to discredit your article, but Chelsea Vowel is a FN blogger, and activist who makes her living from rabble rousing.

She was referenced indirectly in an article in the National Post surrounding the Attawapiskat fiasco, and they then basically lost most of their credibility on that particular issue.

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In actuality, Vowel is a Metis, not First Nations. The fact that she is university educated and lawyer doesn't count for anything? Attawapiskat was also cleared by Deloite. The media doesn't report everything.

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Originally Posted by B Wilson

To clarify my "I hope they start paying property taxes" comment, I did mean on all real property that they own, on or off reserve.

I was well aware that off reserve first nations pay property tax., But it has not been made absolutely clear if this will happen for any large parcels of land that have been selected as part of this land claim. Will these parcels be considered as reservation land, or private property.

Also there is some stuff in that link that does not apply in this situation yet, as there is no existing treaty with the Algonquins. Or do these things apply if favorable to them?

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Now, see, here's the big problem -- there is no treaty. That is a failure on the part of the Canadian government, not the Algonquin. I just don't understand why people continually bash the First Nations groups when they should be demanding serious answers from the Canadian government for failing to either hold up their end of the treaty bargain or not obtaining treaties at all. If the Canadian government never made a treaty with the Algonquians, how is it that the Algonquians fault?

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Originally Posted by The Wife

Now, see, here's the big problem -- there is no treaty. That is a failure on the part of the Canadian government, not the Algonquin. I just don't understand why people continually bash the First Nations groups when they should be demanding serious answers from the Canadian government for failing to either hold up their end of the treaty bargain or not obtaining treaties at all. If the Canadian government never made a treaty with the Algonquians, how is it that the Algonquians fault?

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Ok, I will play along, but first recognize that I have not bashed the first nations.

Why is it a big problem that there is no treaty?

If a person comes onto your land, is it their obligation to initiate negotiations on the terms in which they will be there or should the land owner bear some responsibility for what happens on their land?

Why shouldn't the Algonquins admit that they share in the responsibility of not having a treaty?

What kind of serious answers do you really suppose can be obtained from todays elected government about the day to day actions of elected officials over 150 years ago? Should we hold them accountable for things they never had control over? What would a suitable punishment be for this?

What kind of serious answers are today's Algonquins demanding of their band councils for letting this happen so many years ago?

One of the opening statements from the Algonquins lead negotiator's was "Our land was neither surrendered by war or by treaty"

Making a statement like that could be taken as the Algonquins are prepared for both, and I am not so sure they are. Or in your opinion are they?

the old saying is buyer beware