Use of Dogs for tracking downed or injured big game

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Originally Posted by werner.reiche

one license for all species - not a separate one for each, correct?

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I hope the MNR gets back to me on that Question today!

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Originally Posted by kunuka

I hope the MNR gets back to me on that Question today!

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Spoke to Damion at Mnr

His interpretation is one dog licence all species tracking or hunting.
I will keep on pushing them for an email statement that I can publish .

For hunting with dogs see page 14 of the 2014 regs, there is a licence listed for each species, but the same cost, when I go to the MNR website it only lists one licence available.

For tracking wounded game, as said above leashed tracking dogs are now allowed as of 2014 "in all areas with open hunting seasons" as printed on pg 6 of the 2013 regs.

Below is from sec. 86 (4) of the regs which states tracking dogs need a licence, the wording reads that all 3 conditions must be met (licenced, on a leash, AND in control):

86(4) Despite subsections (2) and (3), in any part of Ontario described in subsection
(5), a person may use a dog to search for an elk, moose or deer that has already
been lawfully wounded in the hunt if,
(a) a licence has been issued in respect of the dog for the purpose of
hunting;
(b) the dog is kept on a leash that has a maximum length of 10 metres;
and
(c) the dog is under the physical control of the person. O. Reg. 171/13,
s. 4.

Just to throw another curve, I am waiting to hear if I can track with my dog without being a hunter myself. Licence for the dog but none for me.

I'm sure you can walk your dog where ever and when ever you like.;)

Jozsef

Careful you don't break the law,..and do jail time. It's you're responsibility, to get the correct answer, not the ministry!:silly:

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Originally Posted by kunuka

I phoned MNR to inquire if a licence was required for an on leash tracking dog and was told yes it was .I also asked if
a separate dog licence was required for each species of game the answer --- yes.

Has anyone on the forum got a different answer from them on this subject ?

I understand that you cannot hunt with dogs in some WMU's but you can still track with them is this correct?

Also, If this discussion has already been had please refer me .

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This was my understanding last season as they requested that my dogs all be licenced for deer and bear. (Reference the Maple Office) This meant that I was to purchase a dog licence for deer and yet another for bear as we were hunting both.{$26.46 for each dog} If I was only going to track a wounded I still required the dog to be licenced for the game we would be tracking. Interesting you can not hunt elk with a dog, but you can track a wounded with a dog but no licence is required. This mine set comes from the party hunting as all hunter in camp if hunting deer require a deer licence and if hunting bear in conduction with deer require each hunter to have a bear licence. I know of many camps that each hunter has a deer licence but only have token "camp" licences for bear.

Frankly , this dog issue is a pure money grab. The request to track wounded game was to help find game that would have otherwise lost. Why penalize or tax a hunter that uses his dog to find wounded game. To request that a dog be licenced for all bear, moose and deer is insane. The idea of licencing was to have monies generated to offset the costs of lost dogs during hunts. It is obvious that once the fees were put in place the monies were turned to general funds, and now a realization that more funds can be generated by requesting dogs be licenced for each big game. We are not too far from requesting dogs be licenced for small game..When we turn a dog loose he is not going to understand he is not licenced for what his nose picks up an follows, but we will be held responsible.

Someone's logic when establishing this fee structure was with the mandate that each hunter in camp requires a licence. If the camp is hunting deer all member require a deer licence. If bear are hunted in conjunction with deer all hunter require a bear licence. There are many camps that purchase only one bear licence (we can call it a camp licence) that is basically illegal. Everyone in the camp requires a bear licence when party hunting. Now they want the same for dogs.



Dick

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Originally Posted by BDH

This was my understanding last season as they requested that my dogs all be licenced for deer and bear. (Reference the Maple Office) This meant that I was to purchase a dog licence for deer and yet another for bear as we were hunting both.{$26.46 for each dog} If I was only going to track a wounded I still required the dog to be licenced for the game we would be tracking. Interesting you can not hunt elk with a dog, but you can track a wounded with a dog but no licence is required. This mine set comes from the party hunting as all hunter in camp if hunting deer require a deer licence and if hunting bear in conduction with deer require each hunter to have a bear licence. I know of many camps that each hunter has a deer licence but only have token "camp" licences for bear.

Frankly , this dog issue is a pure money grab. The request to track wounded game was to help find game that would have otherwise lost. Why penalize or tax a hunter that uses his dog to find wounded game. To request that a dog be licenced for all bear, moose and deer is insane. The idea of licencing was to have monies generated to offset the costs of lost dogs during hunts. It is obvious that once the fees were put in place the monies were turned to general funds, and now a realization that more funds can be generated by requesting dogs be licenced for each big game. We are not too far from requesting dogs be licenced for small game..When we turn a dog loose he is not going to understand he is not licenced for what his nose picks up an follows, but we will be held responsible.

Someone's logic when establishing this fee structure was with the mandate that each hunter in camp requires a licence. If the camp is hunting deer all member require a deer licence. If bear are hunted in conjunction with deer all hunter require a bear licence. There are many camps that purchase only one bear licence (we can call it a camp licence) that is basically illegal. Everyone in the camp requires a bear licence when party hunting. Now they want the same for dogs.



Dick

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Only one person needs to buy a dog license - and that is good for anyone to use the dog.

I had a look at my dog license and it says deer/moose. I had thought it included bear too, but I guess it does not - so your assertion that you had to buy 2 (1 deer, 1 bear is correct).

Only one person needs to buy a dog license - and that is good for anyone to use the dog.

Correct Werner, only the owner of the dog needs to have the dog licence, but again one for each deer and bear. Not sure on the moose as I don't hunt them.

Dick

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Originally Posted by BDH

Only one person needs to buy a dog license - and that is good for anyone to use the dog.

Correct Werner, only the owner of the dog needs to have the dog licence, but again one for each deer and bear. Not sure on the moose as I don't hunt them.

Dick

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I had to go buy the licenses for our dogs, it has been a while but I thought it was the actual dog that had a license, not the hunter who used the dog.
So it is a licensed dog, not a dog license.

It seems really stupid that you are charged for using a dog to track, I really doubt there will be too many hunters dropping $30 to have fido at home licensed to hunt, I don't know the numbers but I am almost positive that the gangs with 15 dogs to hunt in Eastern Ontario are not dropping $400+ on licensing their dogs for deer hunting.

Go money grab.