10ML-II Firing Weakness

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Originally Posted by ET1

An additional thought for firing weakness with the 10ML-II and using smokeless powder.

There are 2-additional points to consider.
1) Load resistance of say 35-40lbs helps to produce reliable ignition. A known fact is that the acceleration of the powder burn is dependent on the pressure it is exposed too. With what is considered a good load resistance (bullet/sabot) requiring 35-40lbs load pressure this helps to ensure as the powder begins to burn pressure can be quickly built up before the bullet/sabot begins to move.

Added Note:

Trying to push down a sabot bullet load with 40lbs resistance and only using a 3/8” ramrod can be hard on the hands. Acquire say a T handle that slips on the ramrod that distributes the loading force across your hand and it will be simple to load with this required load resistance. I can load these loads all day with 1-arm without discomfort or pain afterwards.

When using smokeless powder in a muzzle loader designed for it (and I can’t emphasize this enough) there are more variables to understand than say with black powder. Once understood you’ll soon enjoy a new experience with muzzle loading.

Ed

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Ed, I discovered some time ago that the more compressed the load was in my 10ML-II, the better the shot consistency was. If you want a cheap palm saver, drill out a golf ball to the same diameter as your ramrod. I've been using 2" diameter wooden balls from the lumber yard drilled out.

Mike, I've always questioned the pricing given on this gun. Perhaps the MSRP at its introduction was excessive, but I bought mine 8 years ago for $625. That was a stainless barrel, synthetic stock. A true stainless barrel, not some sort of new fangled stainless finish equivalent. I didn't find that unreasonable given that T/C was selling their higher end guns in that general price range, yet nobody batted a lash at the T/C price.

Does anyone know what year did the 10ML-II hit the streets and what was the was the MSRB price of it then ?

I seem to remember seeing some literature for it back in 2007, but I'm not sure.

With the price of guns now, $900 for the Remington doesn't seem out of line.

The original ML10 hit the streets in 2000. The ML10-II was offered in 2003 if I recall correctly. It started being offered with an Accutrigger in 2004 or 2005. Unfortunately I don't have any of my old catalogs around to see what the pricing was then.

Oh man, I have stop reading your posts you guys, I shoot everything but not one of those..... now I want one just because, well I guess that justifies getting one,

Delmer

Even a round expanded surface is better than a 3/8” diameter rod being forced into your hand. My preference happens to be a T handle that I’m more comfortable with.
Like you I saw more consistency appearing with a compressed load and now I know why.

Bdog

Before you run out and acquire a 10ML-II I have to warn you there is an intensive learning curve behind using one. If you are not a patient man willing to go step by step and possibly a few improvements like bedding you are not going to be happy with it because it won’t meet your expectations. The 10ML-II is like a stubborn demanding mistress but once I met her needs and demands she relented and gave me what I sought after.


Ed

I hear you Ed, and it's the testing and tuning is what attracts me....getting the gun to where I want/like it,

Well I just bought a second one. Camo stainless. I won't send this one through for PR Bullet magic package but I expect a good shooting 200 yard gun.

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Originally Posted by Big Jack

Well I just bought a second one. Camo stainless. I won't send this one through for PR Bullet magic package but I expect a good shooting 200 yard gun.

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Big Jack

I wish you good luck with your expectation for an immediate 200yd shooter.
I had to work on mine to get decent accuracy out to 200yds but it did happen and no regrets for struggling to get there.


Ed

Thanks Ed

This one will be the fourth I have owned. I have been fortunate so far.

One thing to keep in mind is the fact that realistically if I can get a 4 inch group at 200 I would be pleased. I shoot a lot of sabot slugs and shooting stance and control including muzzle lift has so much bearing on capabilities.

I don't expect a tack driver just a good 4 inch group at 200!

4” at 200yds should be doable with an out of the box 10ML-II.
Oh yeah she has a good recoil kick that will give you some colorful love bites on the shoulder or a scope eye kiss if you’re not careful. I’ve tamed some of that with a Decelerator Pad and 12oz recoil reducer but still have to have a good grip on her.

My technique is to allow her muzzle jump as I would at the range especially with shooting sticks and POI is very close between the two. What I do enjoy with my load is the cross hairs never leave the body of a deer out to 200yds. Some elevation adjustment after 175yds to 200yds to keep the bullet in my required kill zone is all that I need to do.

So far during our time together deer hunting it’s always been 1-shot, 1-kill score. Should that ever change then 90% of that cause would be something I’ve done wrong. Now that the lady has been tuned and been performing consistently then the only wild card factor left is me.


Ed